Draft recommendations from the 2015 Names Policy Panel

[Andrew Wright]

Given that registrars don't make much money from selling domains.

The registry does though... follow the money.

 

[Bacon Farmer]

With respect to the French system, I'd suggest that if the requirements to enter ABN's etc were removed here, then you'd see a lot more "individual" registrations too on behalf of businesses. I wouldn't fill in my ABN on a newly purchased domain if there was no reason to.

So really the French "evidence" isn't supportive to your case. Myth busted.

 

[Bacon Farmer]

When a registry sells a digital product the costs involved are basically fixed. So doubling the sales will make a huge difference to their profitability (it reeks of rent seeking).

We also shouldn't have to provide funding for foundations such as the one created by auDA. If there are excess funds, bring the prices down.

 

[David Goldstein]

David, you keep quoting "evidence" but providing none - where is the back up for your argument in terms of hard facts?

You've provided some anecdotal evidence (without a link) and a link to a free domain promotion.

And all the .se link proves is that if you give away something for free, people will take it just because it's free - 17,000 .be domains on the first day for example (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.be)

Do I have to spoon feed the children here as well? The .se link shows that at least people registered the domains when they were free while they didn't register the .id.au domains when they weren't free. None of the evidence is anecdotal.

 

[David Goldstein]

With respect to the French system, I'd suggest that if the requirements to enter ABN's etc were removed here, then you'd see a lot more "individual" registrations too on behalf of businesses. I wouldn't fill in my ABN on a newly purchased domain if there was no reason to.

So really the French "evidence" isn't supportive to your case. Myth busted.

Yes, but in your ignorance you don't see that the .com.au rules won't be changed. So the French example does support my case.

 

[David Goldstein]

The registry does though... follow the money.

The registry may or may not. It might not even be the same registry. There could be separate tenders for .au and the 2LDs. The .au domain could be free for 5 years... there are oodles of options. The registry can make lots of money if you're happy to let them. Anyway, nice try at trying to shift the goalposts.

 

[David Goldstein]

support ! from WHO ? certainly not from the thousands of domain name owners you haven't told so that do not get a chance to have their say because you know they won't say " ohh yeh sure, cost me more money "
i don't give a hoot about .nz or .uk , go ask the real stakeholders which is the dentist, the pub, the mechanic.
tim

Yeah. I know. You wouldn't want to see what happens when the change actually happens. Because the evidence just destroys your arguments.

 

[Andrew Wright]

Do I have to spoon feed the children here as well? The .se link shows that at least people registered the domains when they were free while they didn't register the .id.au domains when they weren't free. None of the evidence is anecdotal.

Gibberish.

 

[Andrew Wright]

The registry may or may not. It might not even be the same registry. There could be separate tenders for .au and the 2LDs. The .au domain could be free for 5 years... there are oodles of options. The registry can make lots of money if you're happy to let them. Anyway, nice try at trying to shift the goalposts.

What Goalposts? Who stands to gain from the introduction of .au? Who is driving this? And why? Do I really have to spoonfeed you? Maybe this press release from Ausregistry will give you a clue - https://www.ausregistry.com.au/ausregistry-and-auda-launch-the-2015-au-survey. "It might not even be the same registry" - yeah, right.

 

[Andrew Wright]

Another Ausregistry announcement https://www.ausregistry.com.au/product-innovation-will-produce-the-next-3-million-au-domains. Are you seeing a pattern yet?

 

[Bacon Farmer]

Yes, but in your ignorance you don't see that the .com.au rules won't be changed. So the French example does support my case.

Yeah but in your self deception you don't see that businesses will most likely choose to buy the .au over the .com.au because it is shorter, snappier and more appealing and has less red tape associated with it.

 

[David Goldstein]

Gibberish.

So in other words it wouldn't matter what evidence was presented, you'd still be opposed... it's that Colbert description of Bush again... "what I like about the president is he believes on Wednesday what he believed on Monday no matter what happened Tuesday". A perfect description...

 

[David Goldstein]

Yeah but in your self deception you don't see that businesses will most likely choose to buy the .au over the .com.au because it is shorter, snappier and more appealing and has less red tape associated with it.

That would be terrible if registrants thought second level domains were more appealing...

 

[David Goldstein]

What Goalposts? Who stands to gain from the introduction of .au? Who is driving this? And why? Do I really have to spoonfeed you? Maybe this press release from Ausregistry will give you a clue - https://www.ausregistry.com.au/ausregistry-and-auda-launch-the-2015-au-survey. "It might not even be the same registry" - yeah, right.

Now, to continue the spoon feeding, there is a contract between auDA and AusRegistry. That comes up for tender again in the next year or 2. It's possible another company will win the tender even. Or that 2 separate companies could operate 2 different registries.

And if you'd bother to understand the relationship between auDA and its registry, AusRegistry, I think you'll find that joint research and marketing activities are mandated in the registry contract and would exist regardless of who the registry operator is...

I'm running out of baby food... help!

 

[Andrew Wright]

The .se link shows that at least people registered the domains when they were free while they didn't register the .id.au domains when they weren't free.

Again...All the .se link proves is that if you give away something for free, people will take it just because it's free - 17,000 .be domains on the first day for example (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.be). It's got nothing to do with demand for a paid product.

 

[Andrew Wright]

That comes up for tender again in the next year or 2. It's possible another company will win the tender even.

Yeah, right, like that it going to happen... Contract runs up to 30 June 2018 - and it's been renewed every time since 2002.

Previously...
"AusRegistry didn’t have to face any competition to get its contract extension. A ‘competition panel’ set up by auDA to look at the issue recommended that there should be no competition."
http://www.ecommercereport.com.au/story81.php

Also... http://domainincite.com/10803-cocca-withdraws-from-aptld-over-support-for-ausregistry-monopoly

 

[Bacon Farmer]

That would be terrible if registrants thought second level domains were more appealing...

It is if they have to make a defensive purchase for their current .com.au domains. Doh!

 

[findtim]

just going to bump this link as since this thread started there has been some interesting feedback on it.
http://www.domainer.com.au/draft-recommendations-from-the-2015-names-policy-panel/
tim

 

[findtim]

in my research around the internet, so far i haven't found a single conversation by small business people that are NOT involved in the domain or technical space, no doctors, no dentists, no plumbers etccc , this is a wolf in sheep clothing.

tim

 

[DomainNames]

Yeah, right, like that it going to happen... Contract runs up to 30 June 2018 - and it's been renewed every time since 2002.

Previously...
"AusRegistry didn’t have to face any competition to get its contract extension. A ‘competition panel’ set up by auDA to look at the issue recommended that there should be no competition."
http://www.ecommercereport.com.au/story81.php

Also... http://domainincite.com/10803-cocca-withdraws-from-aptld-over-support-for-ausregistry-monopoly

Reminds me of a saying" it's not what you know ...it's who you know"

It may go to "closed tender" and the invited single tenderer will be.... you guessed it...

Let the Federal Government take it all over including domain disputes.

http://domainincite.com/10803-cocca-withdraws-from-aptld-over-support-for-ausregistry-monopoly
"In an email to APTLD last week, CoCCA director Garth Miller said:
That AusRegistry, a large for-profit company that is an associate member of APTLD can simply make a phone call to a board member and get the board to make a public submission on behalf of all members that a scheduled public tender be cancelled and AusRegistry be awarded the contract – worth as much as several hundred million dollars, because they have made substantial contributions to the APLTD in the past and are likely to do so in the future if awarded the contract is, in my view, disturbing."