Another Domain gone !!!!
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snoopy
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I hasn't sold at $780 (smut.com.au) so obviously it is not worth that, but it has an offer from a well known member here of $500 + cor and another offer on netfleet of $275 (one month ago).
Perhaps the own of sexyass.com.au should put it up for sale and see what actual offers it actually brings in? Personally I don't think it will bring in any.
You ask me why? I think it is the difference between a domain that is valued on the fact that it is well known one word term as opposed to a domain that would be valued based on search metrics (but doesn't have the right numbers to make it viable). One is the kind of domain that went a decade ago, the other the kind of name still available today.
neddy
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I've just read Snoopy's reply, and as both a buyer and seller, I would have to agree that smut.com.au is much more saleable
than a two word combo containing the word "ass". Imho.
It's 4 letters; a dictionary word; brandable etc - and it's also far more "useable".
findtim
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i think they both have value "to the right person" , but putting it on an auction isn't going to get you the best price as the PERSON that really wants it hasn't got a clue about domain auctions.
eg: sexyass, if you wanted to sell that i'd be cold calling places on the gold coast, pitching they could create a yearly competition to find the sexiat ass in australia, you create it, it gets media, phone up a few chrurches and pretend to be horrified.... gets more media,,, and PITCH that the the club owner, sell the VISION, thats when you get your money for that name. (as ned would say " i here a commission coming" )
now "smut" , once again the person thats going to pay good money for that isn't on auctions, that there is a Canberra phone call ! , Fyshwick district, somebody who knows somebody who is starting a porn magazine.
tim
eg: sexyass, if you wanted to sell that i'd be cold calling places on the gold coast, pitching they could create a yearly competition to find the sexiat ass in australia, you create it, it gets media, phone up a few chrurches and pretend to be horrified.... gets more media,,, and PITCH that the the club owner, sell the VISION, thats when you get your money for that name. (as ned would say " i here a commission coming" )
now "smut" , once again the person thats going to pay good money for that isn't on auctions, that there is a Canberra phone call ! , Fyshwick district, somebody who knows somebody who is starting a porn magazine.
tim
... smut.com.au is much more saleable
than a two word combo containing the word "ass". Imho.
It's 4 letters; a dictionary word; brandable etc - and it's also far more "useable".
Yeha I agree - smut is the better name. However it is a bit of an old fashioned term I would think whereas 'ass' is all the rage
Insights seems to confirm this:http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=smut,sexy ass&geo=AU&cmpt=q
snoopy
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Well lets face it, the right person rarely comes along, in on auction might actually get you a sale for many names (assuming the quality is good). Most of the time putting it up for auction/selling it to a domainer will get you the highest price at any point in time. The alternative is taking a risk and waiting, that may or may not be worthwhile. I wouldn't say the jury has come in on either method.
Are you finding a buyer or trying to invent one? Nobody is going to buy a domain after being called with a usage that you have thought up. And the church stuff, c'mon man, that isn't a business plan.
Findtim, perhaps you can give us an example of how you have sold a name by cold calling and trying to sell a usage that you have thought up?
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findtim
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church stuff !
http://www.wickedcampers.com.au/ put on thier site a few weeks ago a "gay discount" , the thing went viral and was on the news about how horrible it was, so they removed it, now they have a " catholic school girl discount" LOL
"media before money" means get it for free first.
tim
http://www.wickedcampers.com.au/ put on thier site a few weeks ago a "gay discount" , the thing went viral and was on the news about how horrible it was, so they removed it, now they have a " catholic school girl discount" LOL
"media before money" means get it for free first.
tim
snoopy
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Tim,
I didn't ask if you have ever sold a name, I asked if you can us an example of how you have sold a name by cold calling and trying to sell a usage that you have thought up?
ie ringing up club and selling them a name by telling them they should have "sexy ass" competition and buy sexyass.com.au for that reason?
Personally I haven't ever heard of someone selling a name to someone by proposing some usage that the domain owner has thought up.
Something portmacquarieoptometrist.com.au has an obvious buyer, a port macquarie optomitrist. Type it into Google and some possible buyers will be obvious. By contrast there is no "sexy ass" business that I know of or people running sexy ass competitions for a living. Nobody even wants to pay 10 cents to advertise on the term.
findtim
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well i DID ? the guy didn't want a new website and i sold him on the idea to create 4 seperate websites, i sold him on the idea that this would allow him to be more creative in his traditional advertising and now he has created banner ads for his high profit lines, i sold him on that he could on sell space to people like Bolle, Maui Jim sunglasses and get revenure back ( which he has done).
I don't think that because it is an obvious domain name that its an easy sell as I just last week pitched to another business the same proposal and they said no, as thats what i do - i cold call EVER day to sell domain ideas as i am in the, buy - build - sell game no the buy - sell game, but it doesn't change the rules, give me sexyass and i'll sell it for alot more then you'll get on an auction.
snoopy you seem to be in the "passive sell" technique, i'm in the " go find them technique" , its just different thats all.
selling obvious domains isn't what i do, but it works, i sell "solutions" and this adds value to the real estate.
when you look at a chocolate cake you don't SEE "food" you see how its going to make you feel as you are eating it, the flour and water to make the cake cost nothing, its what they have added to it that makes you pay $3.50 a slice.
tim
I don't think that because it is an obvious domain name that its an easy sell as I just last week pitched to another business the same proposal and they said no, as thats what i do - i cold call EVER day to sell domain ideas as i am in the, buy - build - sell game no the buy - sell game, but it doesn't change the rules, give me sexyass and i'll sell it for alot more then you'll get on an auction.
snoopy you seem to be in the "passive sell" technique, i'm in the " go find them technique" , its just different thats all.
selling obvious domains isn't what i do, but it works, i sell "solutions" and this adds value to the real estate.
when you look at a chocolate cake you don't SEE "food" you see how its going to make you feel as you are eating it, the flour and water to make the cake cost nothing, its what they have added to it that makes you pay $3.50 a slice.
tim
GA show that less people look up smut then sexy ass wouldn't it be more realistic since sexyass is a 2 word keyphrase domain not a one word domain that if smut as you said has had a $500 then a keyphrase adult domain with more search volume would be worth at least 50% of a one word adult domain
so it would be worth at least $250
personally I would turn either one into an adult site smut I would turn in to a tube site and get some sponsors and flip it in 3 months time
and sexy ass I would turn into a photo rating site however I am not into building adult sites anymore so both are worth nothing to me. On GFY
I think both would get a decent offer netfleet is probably not the best place to find and adult domain buyers.
FYI I would list smut ask for X,XXX or more on GFY where adult domain buyers hang out with a good budget.
or contact the .com owner and work out a deal.
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I've just read Snoopy's reply, and as both a buyer and seller, I would have to agree that smut.com.au is much more saleable
than a two word combo containing the word "ass". Imho.
It's 4 letters; a dictionary word; brandable etc - and it's also far more "useable".
If it was her ass my ass his ass I would agree.
The fact is it is sexy ass which has more search volume then smut I mean who even looks up smut anymore?
I think both domains are sale able and smut is worth more but that's not the issue.
I am asking why one adult domain is worth nothing and another worth at least $500.
That's like saying 2 houses side by side one has a pool and 3 bedrooms and one has the same bedrooms no pool is worth nothing although the neighbors just sold for xxxxxxxxx
snoopy
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It is easy enough to make an argument that something "would be worth" a certain amount and much harder to achieve that. Smut.com.au isn't worth what it is because of search metrics in my view, so why would you compare it to a another name based on search metrics?
Not that I am talking up this name, because frankly it has probably cost $250 to hold it for the last 10 years, that isn't factoring time value of that money either, so I don't think it would have been profitable.
Look through the drop lists and names way more viable in terms of metrics than sexyass.com.au can be had in low 3 figures. These are names that went many years ago.
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I admire the consistency of your pessimism. Most people can't help valuing their own names higher than other peoples' (me included) but you talk them all down equally. Good job!
Your saying it's worth $0 but you have just pointed out that it's worth something it would be reasonable to say that it would be worth at least $100 on the netfleet aftermarket I would think.
Honestly your shooting yourself in the foot selling so cheap and devaluing other .au names. I am sure you would know that some domains have sold for 7 figures sure they are .com however some .au have had some pretty good offers and if the .com owner can afford it you could also lease it to the owner.
I first come here after buying a 3 letter .com.au to check out the values in .au and what the market thinks I have seen many of your post saying com.au is worth nothing at least one of those domains sold for a few hundred if I had listen to your posts I would of stopped buying .au names altogether.
Many of your posts say .au are worth $0 if you believed this you wouldn't of bought any .au or be on a .au forum and taken the first offer for smut.
I am sure you have been around long enough to know what offers the .com version has had.
http://www.dnforum.com/f77/leasing-out-name-thread-32803.html
I agree that sexyass is worth less then a one word generic domain however it is worth something to the right buyer or developed.
Go put smut on GFY and get some really money for it.
snoopy
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Don't follow this, I'm saying the name is worthless, far better names sell for $100 in my view. This is the type of names that wouldn't get a bid I think.
If it is so cheap perhaps you should buy it?
Next you'll be telling us about the $20 million house in Toorak then comparing it to a house in Frankston. Let's talk about .com.au, that is what this is. Completely different market to .com
That is not what I am saying, I'm saying stuff like sexyass.com.au is worthless. To be worth much in .com.au the name needs to be stellar.
Not what I have said.
No idea what offers it has had, again completely different market. What offers has sexyass.com.au had and what have similar .com.au's sold for? That is what counts.
Right buyer...developed....let's talk about what this names can be sold for as is. Not in a scenario that does not exist.
findtim
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snoopy you just aren't getting this topic !
"as is" IS dependant on the buyers desire for it NOT YOURS, and this is the case in all sales scenarios.
i think that there are domain names that don't fit into the "stats" type analysis realhm
what was www.telstra.com.au worth before it became telstra?
and by the way..... i personally know that "foxtel" was going to be called "onion" but they couldn't get the domain name ! ( not that onion was a good decision anyway but it does make a statement )
tim
Bacon Farmer
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So basically one sh*ttyass domain is as good as another?
at least $100 undeveloped which has already been pointed out undeveloped should be the bare minimum which is the lowest that you can list for on netfleet aftermarket so this is the lowest value IMHO
and yes to the right buyer it should sell for more although I did show you where to find the right buyer with a decent budget.
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