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Direct registrations are happening

Discussion in 'Domain News' started by Shane, Apr 18, 2016.

  1. snoopy

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    Anyone know why AUDA is talking about a tender for all registries? (including proposed .au). Since when has bundling .au with the others been on the cards?
     
  2. johno69

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    They are trying to reign in the other extensions in time too. edu being one discussed. They want them all managed together. That's why they are going to sort direct au before looking at companies they can ask to submit applications for tender.
     
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  3. DomainNames

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    Ok to clarify what I asked at the AGM and in my follow up talks with auDA after it. I think an Open tender is what is needed and Not a selective or invited tender.

    I have done over 100 tenders in writing and response and the best outcome is often found via an open tender when market conditions, technology etc has changed since previous tenders. It is more work but it is also the most transparent.

    There may be suitable tender respondents who would have the best registry offer a selective tender would miss out on hearing from.

    I know one country recently went to registry tender and the incumbent registry was chosen again BUT they came back with a much better offer than what they had been providing previously and they also lowered their wholesale domain name price! This flowed on to consumers and helped to keep that extension competitive and registrations/ renewals active.

    If there is no competition there is most often no extra effort by an incumbent. Selective tenders can be easily manipulated and appear to be done just for the process. This time we really need active registry respondents with new ideas and savings for auDA and domain name registrants.

    Registry Security and an immediate "Go Live Backup Plan and Back Up Infrastructure" is also a key issue now and some global registry providers need additional updates in this area urgently so I hear.
     
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  4. johno69

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    The point was what was said at the AGM, not what you think should happen.

    We all think direct registration shouldn't go ahead, but our thoughts on what should happen aren't going to change a whole lot.

    From your passion I can assume who you were at the AGM and it was in direct response to your comment after they said it would be selective that they asked if you had a company in mind and they would consider them.

    Why is this so difficult, and why are we still even discussing it? It will be what it will be.
     
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  5. snoopy

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    Yes I see, it is going to be another very bad look for Auda to proceed like that.

    Agree, this will create further mistrust of AUDA where they have the ability to select who they'd like to tender. It is also not likely to provide an ideal outcome in terms of price. AUDA needs to do the hard work and consider applications from all those who wish to tender.
     
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  6. DomainNames

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    There's no denying that. But that doesn't change what has already been said
     
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  8. DomainNames

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    Edwin Hayward is an international domain name and SEO expert with 20 years experience. This is worth everyone reading and some of you may know him already.
    http://www.mydomainnames.co.uk/
    http://www.mydomainnames.co.uk/v2response2.pdf


    Edwin seems have been spot on now the UK and .NZ registration, renewal and drop off statistic results are in for 2015 / 2016. Both have failed miserably.

    Nominet ( UK) surveyed less than 3000 people (out of the 10 million registrants) ... didn't want to contact all registrants to avoid "spam"... that sounds like what Ausregistry and auDA said last year and this year as an excuse

    "Why haven't I heard about this before?

    That's not really surprising, since Nominet has no plans to ask individual domain registrants what they think of their proposal. Indeed, they claim that to do so would expose them to charges of spamming. By limiting their request for feedback to the 2,800 Nominet Members, it's like getting farmers to vote on Christmas without asking the turkeys..." Edwin

    Hopefully the new auDA CEO, auDA team, new auDA board and Deloitte can avoid the same mistakes which happened in UK and NZ now.
     

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  9. Rhythm

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    except me
     
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  10. DomainNames

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    Hi, Please check out that information above, the actual NZ and UK 2015 /2016 reports, Google's own SEO input and public statement against the Ausregistry (and others) claims, plus Sir Michael Lyons Report & Board Response

    It is detailed but is very informative and may ( or may not) help you reconsider your Yes Vote support for another additional competing .au extension.

    At the auDA 2016 AGM this week an auDA supply member spoke up and said the issue around another .au extension was hurting existing registrations & renewals from their experience Damage is being done. The Chairman sought to clarify this and it was confirmed again by the supply member.
     
  11. Rhythm

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    Fantastic!

    So the .uk and .nz made some mistakes that au can study and learn from
     
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    Ain't no .net.au owners going to get in before .com.au owners ;-)
     
  13. DomainNames

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    Yes, we are lucky to have the benefit of the direct .uk and direct .nz failures well documented now before we had the same mistakes made here :)

    Some light reading for Deloitte and the auDA board.

    What happens if Deloitte tells auDA there is no genuine business case for another .au extension or it may damage what we have? I think that is fairly likely if they do their job properly but it depends what information they are being provided and by who. They need to probably look outside of auDA or "supply" and read the many reports online now. maybe they can ask Google also some questions or read their statements etc.
     
  14. snoopy

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    This is what happened with .co.uk from what I remember at the time. Prices fell, general interest fell. I don't think the UK market ever really had a recovery. That market still seems to be really weak even though .uk doesn't really have any traction. Have a look at namebio and most of the big sales were 5-10 years ago. Having said that .co.uk would have already been hit hard by the 2012 Google exact match changes that has also effected our market.

    The absolute best thing people can do in response to all this is not invest in .com.au. Personally I wouldn't put a cent into it right now, money is far better spent in .com where the market is still strong and there is much lower risk from anyone trying to mess with it.
     
  15. snoopy

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    Let's be realistic here, Deloitte is going to tell them it is a great idea for AUDA's revenue (which it is). I'll change my username to Pumpernickel Pie if Deloitte comes back and says there is no business case.
     
  16. Rhythm

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    Even if hypothetically the .net.au was registered in 2000 and the .com.au was registered today 16 years later by a different registrant?

    .nz got it right and reasonable on this

    https://www.dnc.org.nz/cnp/the-process

    .uk screwed up
     
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  17. snoopy

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    Still if you are on a .net.au, you are on a very weak domain to begin with, you've chosen badly or have decided you don't want to spend much money in comparison to what the .com.au would cost. For a .com.au owner to get a .au it retains the status quo, nobody is better or worse off. For a .net.au owner to get a .au, it is potentially a free upgrade at the expense of the .com.au owner.

    If .net.au have rights then what about .id.au owners? Where does it end?
     
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    I would actually say it's the complete opposite!

    The .nz process was a complete disaster.

    Most people I've spoken with agree that the .uk approach represents best practice, notwithstanding the potential for further improvements.

    To date, the only people I've spoken with that like the .nz model, are the domain investors that have a lot of .net.au domains, because they're hoping they'll get the 'golden ticket' for the .au direct regs! ;)
     
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  19. Rhythm

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    It ends with the conflict resolution process

    dnc.co.nz
     
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    carinsurance.net.au - $33,001

    So carinsurance.net.au registrant has zero rights to .au?