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Discussion in 'Domain News' started by snoopy, Jun 6, 2018.

  1. Scott.L

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    if its true, the constitution doesn't prohibit foreigners from applying to be members; so yes, A foreign country could simply influence and exercise policy outcomes in Australia via the membership. Again, it appears the Board is exploiting this vulnerability within the Constitution rather than discussing the issues regarding the constitution and how to fix it.
     
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    Isn't it funny how auDA and the Board changed the structure at the recent Board meeting to simplify membership processing ....
    1. auDA not checking new members are real now
    2. auDA not caring who pays to join auDA. Allowing Supply related entities to bulk pay for their staff as auDA memberships.
    3. auDA seemingly promoting to Supply entities to openly stack memberships in both Supply and Demand for some reasons of mutual benefit?
    How could so many Supply entities get their staff to all sign up and pay within 1 month?

    Is there a traceable link to auDA related people communications to these Supply entities encouraging them to have their staff sign up?
     
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    So auDA membership has been swamped by foreigners?

    So foreigners will soon control auDA?

    Is this the underrepresented stakeholder group the CEO was talking about?
     
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    If true then that presents huge national security issues.

    What happens if auDA get 5,000 applications all with Russian or Chinese addresses. They have potentially set a precedent where anything goes in terms of foreign influence if the rumours going around are true.

    Potential for a foreign government to get board seats.
     
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    Hey Tim, were all of these blow ins paid for by the employers?
     
  7. Scott.L

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    Nothing prohibits international applicant from being a member, even if local presence is required (again thats not in it) it could be argued that the registry and registrars are local and employees are subsidiaries (or to that effect).
     
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    http://www.domainpulse.com/2018/06/18/auda-stacks-membership-no-accountability/
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    auDA Stacks Membership With Almost 1,000 New Members and No Accountability
    By David Goldstein June 18, 2018 Governance, Registrant, Registrar, Registry No Comments

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    It’s taken 2 people 5 Board meetings, a period that could be anything from 5 to 8 months, from submitting their application to join auDA to acceptance, sources have told Domain Pulse. But now we have 955 member applications approved in one Board meeting held today. News of the approvals had begun to circulate ahead of today’s Board meeting as auDA gains a reputation of being a leaky boat.

    The drawn out process of vetting applicants combined with numerous reports of applicants having been called with obtrusive questions that aren’t related to their membership applications has been commonplace over the last 12 to 24 months. Seemingly however with a fractious membership, several registrars and the incoming registry Afilias have dragooned their staff, many of whom who are not in Australia, to join in record time. Was each applicant contacted all contacted and verified as per auDA’s previous process and did auDA verify that each payment was made from an independent bank account?

    The record approval of new members comes about with a Special General Meeting looming next month that is calling for the ousting of the 3 Independent Directors, including Chair Chris Leptos. The newly approved 955 members won’t be able to vote in the SGM, which auDA acknowledged in an announcement today. However they will be able to vote at the upcoming Annual General Meeting to be held later this year which could in effect overturn the resolutions put forward in the SGM and rubber stamp constitutional changes that auDA is seeking to bring about including minimising the Member’s voice in the organisation.

    The number of applicants approved in today’s meeting is hundreds more than has been approved before. As Domain Pulse reported last week, “as of 28 May 2018 there were 356 Demand and Supply members listed on the auDA website, up from 311 as of 15 February. … There were 318 members as of 29 June 2017 and 286 in January 2017.”

    Approved at another Board meeting earlier this year were some members with the surname “Leptos”, the same surname as auDA’s Chair Chris Leptos. Domain Pulse would be interested to know if the members with the surname “Leptos” are family members of the Chair, and if any of those are minors, that is under the age of 16 years, as well as knowing if they have paid for their own membership dues. Further, do any of them even own a .au domain name or what is their interest in the .au domain name space?

    The auDA announcement also refers to a “positive response from [registrars] Ventra IP, Arq Group [formerly Melbourne IT], Dreamscape Networks [better known as Crazy Domains] and [incoming registry operator] Afilias, other organisations and individuals” that has resulted in a “surge in membership.”

    Domain Pulse understands that many of those joining are staff at the above companies, including around 200 from Afilias. Afilias currently has around 10 to 20 staff in Australia, so the vast majority will live abroad and have little to no interest in the Australian domain name landscape, apart from giving support to Afilias’ continued operation of the registry where they can when it comes up for tender again and where required to vote in favour of the current auDA management. Domain Pulse would also like to know how many of these people working for the registrars and incoming registry have paid for their own memberships. The auDA constitution forbids membership being paid for by anyone apart from the applicant.

    Domain Pulse would also be interested to know of the vetting procedure. Has the obtrusive questioning on who applicants know and what their background is been done for each applicant? The obvious answer is no. These applications have been rushed through so “friendly” auDA members are ready to rubber stamp any constitutional or policy changes auDA puts forward at the AGM later this year and beyond.

    In principle the increase in Members is welcome. The government and former Board members have called for auDA to increase their membership. One proposal floated by a former Board member has been to establish a model like the Canadian registry, CIRA, where all domain name registrants are automatically entitled to membership. For auDA, the .au country code top level domain manager, applicants have to join in “supply” (representatives of the registry, a registrar or a reseller) or “demand” (everyone else) and pay an annual membership fee. This rush of members though has nothing to do with democratising auDA but having the membership as a pliant tool for auDA management."

     
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    What's next? auDA are probably holding member sign ups at daycare centres, there's no age limit in the constitution either.
     
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    Are there any directors of auDA who wish to express an opinion on this issue.

    No? I guess the minutes will reflect your equal guilt/stupidity.
     
  11. DomainNames

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    What time was the auDA Board meeting yesterday?

    Did auDA have their P.R. Bulsh$$ Spin media release already typed up and sent out before the Board even finished talking about the new members, the problems with the applications, that auDA had not verified them, that auDA had allowed bulk demand class membership sign ups paid for fully by the Supply employers, and before the Board even voted to approve all of the new members?
     
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    https://www.auda.org.au/about-auda/our-org/board-meetings/2007/070416/

    " The board discussed a paper drafted by CN outlining possible changes to the auDA Constitution to address three issues:


    1. potential supply side capture of demand class
    2. supply related person standing as a demand class director
    3. related entities holding multiple supply class memberships.

    The board affirmed the need to ensure that the Constitution is effective and achieves auDA’s objectives. The board also noted the importance of achieving a fair and reasonable balance between supply and demand, observing that there will always be a tendency for demand class to be under-represented."


    Board Minutes - 16 April 2007

    Public Version
    Meeting of the .au Domain Administration Board

    16 April 2007 - 1.00pm
    .au Domain Administration Limited. 1 Queens Road. Melbourne VIC 3004

    Present:
    Chris Disspain, David Goldstein, Julie Hammer, Kim Heitman, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Jo Lim, Bennett Oprysa, Josh Rowe, Peter Shilling and Tony Staley

    Teleconference:
    Marty Drill and Brett Fenton

    Observers:
    Craig Ng (Maddocks), John Higgins (Hayes Knight), Brenton Thomas, Don Williams and Paul Szyndler (DCITA)

    Apologies:
    Nil

    Action Items:
    • auDA staff to advise registrars of the fee reduction, and publish the new fee model.
    • The board to set up a sub-committee to consider demand class membership issues.


    1. Continuous Disclosure

    DG advised that he is doing consulting work for Domain Directors, an auDA accredited registrar.

    2. Confirmation of Minutes

    The minutes of the February 2007 meeting were confirmed.

    3. Policy Development

    • 2007 Names Policy Panel
    Derek Whitehead gave a progress report on the Panel’s first two meetings. The attendance rate at both meetings was high. The Panel has held general discussion of all three issues under review, with a particular focus to date on direct registrations. The Panel’s first public consultation paper is expected to be released in May/June.

    DW noted that this is the first Panel that will have evidence-based input, ie. the market research being conducted by auDA.

    4. Finance Report

    The board noted the March accounts.

    5. 07/10 Budget and Fee Model

    The board approved the proposed 07/10 Budget. The following points were noted:
    • the education and media budget may need to be increased if there are significant changes to policy arising from the Names Panel
    • the basis for calculating the annual ICANN fee may change in future
    • the international travel budget will be split into ‘meetings’ and ‘other’
    • the internet traffic budget is still to be determined, but has been estimated using the current deal with AAPT as a guide
    • it is highly unlikely that there will be any future windfall gains from one-off domain name allocations like the generics auction in 2002.

    It was noted that one of the first responsibilities of the Stability and Security Advisory Committee (currently being formed) will be to provide the board with advice on a suitable allocation for the security and stability contingency fund. Until then, a notional amount has been allocated. Once the ‘correct’ amount is known, the board will then be in a position to calculate the available remaining surplus and decide what steps to take to reduce it.

    The board agreed the proposed new auDA domain name fee model, with the fee to be set according to the number of domain name registrations. It was noted that the model would provide greater certainty and transparency to the industry, and better guidance to the board for future budget deliberations. Pursuant to the model, the board agreed to reduce the fee to $3.00 ex GST (subsequently amended to $3.00 ex GST) on 1 May 2007 .

    Action: auDA staff to advise registrars of the fee reduction, and publish the new fee model.

    6. CEO Report

    The following issues were noted:

    • edu.au
    auDA has granted a further 3 month extension to the Sub-Sponsorship Agreement, until 30 June 2007. A representative from AICTEC has been invited to attend the June board meeting to present the proposed changes to edu.au policy.

    7. auDA Foundation Report

    CD advised that reports from the current grant recipients will be provided at the June board meeting.

    8. auCD Report

    The board noted the report from auCD, and requested more detailed reports in future.

    The board also noted that auDA will hold a review of the community geographic domain names policy later this year.

    9. Constitutional Review

    The board discussed a paper drafted by CN outlining possible changes to the auDA Constitution to address three issues:
    1. potential supply side capture of demand class
    2. supply related person standing as a demand class director
    3. related entities holding multiple supply class memberships.

    The board affirmed the need to ensure that the Constitution is effective and achieves auDA’s objectives. The board also noted the importance of achieving a fair and reasonable balance between supply and demand, obesrving that there will always be a tendency for demand class to be under-represented.


    The board agreed changes to address issues 2 and 3 above, as proposed in paras 4.2, 4.4 and 4.5 of the board paper. It was decided that the change proposed in para 4.3 of the board paper to address issue 1 may not be effective, and further consideration should be given to options for increasing demand class membership and making it more representative.

    Motion (proposed JR, seconded Julie H): That the proposed new definition of ‘Supply Related Person’ and proposed amendments to clauses 9.4 and 18.3 be put to members at an EGM. Carried unanimously.

    Action: The board to set up a sub-committee to consider demand class membership issues.

    12. Membership Applications

    The members below were approved in the classes indicated:

    Brad Winton (demand)
    Get Started (Australia) Pty Ltd (supply)
    Emerging IT Pty Ltd (supply)
    Velocit Business Systems Pty Ltd (supply)
    Connectivity Australia Pty Ltd (supply)

    13. Board Correspondence

    There was no board correspondence.

    15. Next Meeting

    The next board meeting will be held on Tuesday 12 June at 10.30am in Sydney.


    _____________________

     
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    auDA's current Management and Board have completely failed in their management of the .au namespace and gone backwards creating catastrophic levels of "conflicts of interest" Supply stacking demand class memberships etc .. the very problems auDA and stakeholders itemised years ago plus the Government was clear they wanted stopped.

    Did they not read past history and minutes or did they choose to neglect and ignore them?

    It seems obvious auDA facilitated the stacking of demand class memberships to try and outvote the SGM resolutions but the Court by granting only until 28 July 2018 affected their chance at that blatant expensive tactics to save their own jobs and pay packets $$.

    www.Grumpier.com.au
    Resolution 1 – Vote of no confidence in Cameron Boardman (CEO)
    Resolution 2 – Removal of Chris Leptos as a Director
    Resolution 3 – Removal of Sandra Hook as a Director
    Resolution 4 – Removal of Suzanne Ewart as a Director
     
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    Cheyne/Angelo or any other Ventraip personnel got anything to say or were you all part of this?

    I'll take your silence as an admission of guilt.
     
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    Government review
    "11. That auDA diversify its member base in the short-term with a focus on extending membership to stakeholders that are underrepresented."

    Auda has achieved now a majority of the auDA demand class membership being made up of Supply related staff with the bulk of those Supply Registrar / Wholesale Registry subcontractor paid demand class memberships now being foreign citizen call centre staff based overseas in Cebu Philippines, Ireland, USA and the Ukraine… etc

    I am pretty sure this was not what the Government wanted or the class of underrepresented parties they meant to focus on in the short term.

    I am so sure it was not wanted the Government wanted I asked the DoCA today and they confirmed their disgust and shock about what has been done! Now we see major PR spin from auDA and some of the people who have done the Supply stacking of demand class.

    For auDA to claim this is what the government wanted or what the review meant is a blatant mistruth and PR spin. It is obvious mismanagement of the .au namespace and is why people have NO confidence in the auDA CEO or the Board.

    We now have foreign non Australian Citizen call centre staff of Registry bodies who can join together to vote and become an auDA Demand Class Director... crazy....
     
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    Afilias signed up hundreds of their foreign staff.. All of them Foreign Citizens.. None of them with any .au domain name registered.

    Afilias paid for their Supply staff to all sign up as Demand members!

    Is this the biggest scam and stacking of influence in the history of Australia business and the history of all global internet namespaces? YES it is.

    They signed up a lot of China Afilias staff also...as auDA demand class members.

    https://afilias.info/contact-us/offices
    Offices
    Afilias is a global organization with offices all over the world.

    Corporate Headquarters:
    Afilias plc
    4th Floor, International House
    3 Harbourmaster Place
    IFSC
    Dublin D01 K8F1
    Ireland
    Tel: + 353.1.854.1100
    Fax: + 353.1.791.8569

    United States:
    Afilias USA, Inc.
    Building 3, Suite 105
    300 Welsh Road
    Horsham, PA 19044
    Tel: +1 215.706.5700
    Fax: +1 215.706.5701

    Canada:
    Afilias Canada Corp.
    4141 Yonge St., Suite 204
    Toronto, Ontario
    M2P 2A8 Canada
    Phone: 416.646.3304
    Customer & Technical Support: 416.646.3306
    Fax: 416.646.1541

    India:
    Afilias India Private Limited
    308 & 309, Elegance Tower
    Plot No.8, Non Hierarchical Commercial Center
    Jasola, New Delhi - 110 025
    Phone: +91-11-4644-8888
    Fax: +91-11-4644-8844

    London:
    Desiree Zeljka Miloshevic
    Senior Adviser, Public Policy and International Affairs
    Suite No. 232
    22 Notting Hill Gate
    London W11 3JE
    Tel: 44.20.7480.9215
    Fax: +44 20.7691.7853
    dmiloshevic at afilias.info

    Beijing:
    Afilias (Shanghai) Information Technology Co., Ltd. Beijing
    Branch Registered Address:
    Suite No. 22
    Suite 15, 10th Floor Twin Towers (East)
    B12 Jianguomenwai Ave. Chaoyang District Beijing
    Tel: +86 10 5123 5068
    Fax: +86 10 51235185
    china@afilias.info
    Find Additional information here.

    Afilias plc is a public limited company registered in Ireland.
    Company Number: 338901
    Registered Office: 6th Floor, 2 Grand Canal Square, Dublin 2, D02 A342, Ireland
     
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    The silence of DoCA implies acceptance or was this sanctioned?

    The CEO of auDA said "Membership quadrupled in a month in response to this initiative to expand stakeholder interests that had been underrepresented."

    Afilias boasted on their blog of their intention to influence the future of .au -

    "When they learned that they were now stakeholders and eligible for membership, many Afilias staffers joined right away. Why? They joined to enjoy several important benefits. First, membership affords a voice in the future of .au."

    Dear Senator Mitch Fifield, do you think foreign workers are a stakeholder group that is underrepresented in the ranks of auDA demand members?

    Do you think foreigners should wield influence with regards to the Australian domain system?

     
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