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Discussion in 'Domain News' started by snoopy, Jun 6, 2018.

  1. DomainNames

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    auDA has lied to the media, lied to the CMWG, lied to Government, lied to stakeholders and lied to members.

    What auDA has not done is include the many other models and the clauses that individuals and businesses should have a .au domain name !

    The DoCA did not want auDA and Supply to stack the demand side with Supply related parties or staff and at no time in any document or discussion did they say this is what they wanted or what they approved.

    The whole thing has been rigged and stacked by auDA Management and some auDA Board members.

    NO the DoCA do not agree with what auDA Management and Board has done. I asked them myself.

    The fact is this was all orchestrated by auDA and then dumped on the Board just before the Board meeting.

    auDA Management already had sent out their media release and members B.S. PR Spin before the Board meeting even had voted and discussed all of the problems with the memberships.


    I have No Confidence in the auDA CEO or the current auDA Board.

    They will pay a lot of auDA .au domain name Consumer money to their paid PR Spin doctor friends and associates to save their jobs and get the benefits they want for themselves now or later after they leave auDA perhaps?

    It appears the auDA CEO and Chair have no problems using as much of the auDA funds as possible to keep their positions no matter what damage they do to the .au namespace and auDA the organisations reputation globally.

    1. How much is the auDA CEO Cameron Board paid?
    2. What is his personal bonus?
    3. What are his expenses?
    4. How much is the auDA Chair Chris Leptos being paid?
    5. What are his expenses?
     
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  2. Bacon Farmer

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    I see no reaction, by DoCA or board members and I conclude tacit approval.

    The silence is deafening.
     
  3. DomainNames

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    Can a non Australian / Foreign power ( Government , State Owned Enterprise, Corporate etc) now more easily under current auDA Management and auDA Board register their citizens / staff / clandestine assets as auDA.org.au voting members freely as long as the membership is paid?

    Could they do it via an Australian entity to hide it further?

    With their foreign assets, staff etc could they in fact take over the management of the .au namespace, auDA, Policy, Process, Pricing, Contracts, Constitution changes, auDA wages etc?

    Don't laugh and doubt the recent risk caused by this mass sign up of foreign staff paid for by 3rd parties and no auDA verification of every application or concern they are in fact .au users or Australians have opened the flood gates or serious risk.

    A lot of corporates and overseas parties would love to influence auDA, the .au namespace and the Australian internet.

    By an "open the flood gate membership don't ask questions" approach and all members having voting rights this is now the very real risk.
    ____________

    https://www.afr.com/news/chinese-te...encies-radar-after-uk-us-bans-20180418-h0yxlq

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_intelligence_activity_abroad

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...uence-in-apparent-poke-at-china-idUSKBN1CU0LZ

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_espionage_in_the_United_States

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-22/book-reveals-extent-of-chinese-influence-in-australia/9464692

    https://www.smh.com.au/public-servi...ies-operate-in-australia-20171203-gzxs06.html
     
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  4. DomainNames

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    It is such a joke to see auDA accepting and pushing for hundreds of foreign Supply staff to be signed up individually as auDA ( Australia) Demand Class members.

    How will auDA get these foreigners to pay the $100 when they are foreigners? Another example of poor auDA management and Poor risk management.

    Will their employers from Supply pay it for them if they leave working for them but remain auDA members? No way will they pay for their ex employees and no way will these people ever pay. For auDA to proceed and just ignore this is not ignorance it is extremely bad management of auDA of the .au namespace, auDA the company and Foundation and bad corporate governance.

    auDA management have blatantly stacked the demand class membership base with foreign Supplier staff not thinking through fully what they have done or the associated risks to auDA or the .au namespace and Australian Critical Infrastructure or even Australian Corporate Governance avoidable risk..

    Have no doubts this mess and risk has been directly created by current auDA Management and current auDA Board. Lets see if the minutes show any auDA Directors spoke up or even noted risks and issues with Supply stacking demand class memberships and with Foreigners based overseas.


    https://www.auda.org.au/about-auda/our-org/constitution/

    7 MEMBERS' GUARANTEE

    Every Member undertakes to contribute an amount not exceeding one hundred dollars ($100) to the property of auDA in the event of its being wound up while that person is a Member or within one year afterwards for:
    a. payment of the debts and liabilities of auDA contracted before the time when that Member ceased to be a Member;
    b. the costs, charges and expenses of winding up; and
    c. for an adjustment of the rights of contributories among themselves.​
     
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  5. DomainNames

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    How will auDA now find out and manage the auDA Foreign and soon to be voting members who are or become bankrupt, criminals etc?

    Is it bankrupt in Australia or bankrupt overseas where they live, are residents and are a citizen of? Does auDA management even know or will they spend a fortune on avoidable legal costs to find out and muck this up also.

    How about if they have criminal convictions in other countries? Do they remain as auDA members? How will auDA manager that, will they ever know,?

    How about if they work for a foreign power now or later also? Will auDA even know or be able to cancel their now approved membership and on what grounds?

    How about foreigners becoming an elected auDA Director now?

    Can foreigners become independent auDA Directors now? They now have the numbers to do it even if their Supply employers or auDA didn't want them to!

    https://www.auda.org.au/about-auda/our-org/constitution/

    13 CESSATION OF MEMBERSHIP
    13.1 Cessation of Membership
    Membership of auDA ceases if the Member;

    b. being a natural person, dies, becomes bankrupt, makes a composition with or assigns the Member's estate for the benefit of the Member's creditors;
    c. being an Organisation, becomes insolvent, has a receiver, receiver and manager, administrator or liquidator appointed, or is wound up (except for the purposes of reconstruction or amalgamation);
    d. ceases to satisfy the criteria for admission to membership of auDA.


     
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    1. CIRA FREE membership.
    2. CIRA has over 15,000 members. A massive cross section of interests and stakeholders from every part of the Canada economy and Canada internet users.
    3. 1 membership only per person / related company no matter how many domain names a person or company owns. No stacking and real engaged multi stakeholder input.
    4. Less Supply and Demand membership conflict.
    5. FREE CIRA Membership is Opt in. People need to choose to be a member. It is NOT automatic opt in as some at auDA have been telling people to scare them off the CIRA model.
    6. All .CA registrants can become free CIRA members and benefit from the membership and stakeholder programs.
    7. Over 2.8 million CA names currently registered. Similar to the Australia .au namespace numbers.
    8. Must meet CA presence to be a CIRA member and have a .CA name.
    9. Every application for CIRA membership is verified by CIRA staff.
    10. They do not allow bulk or multiple sign ups or non verified memberships.
    11. 100% no foreign risk of stacking or manipulation by any one party.
    12. No foreigners ( local presence requirements), no stacking, No Suppliers stacking memberships to gain advantages or market / voting power / cartel power, no risk for overseas governments, companies etc to manipulate the CA or CIRA
    13. https://cira.ca/membership
    14. https://cira.ca/cira-membership-faqs
    15. https://cira.ca/membership/am-i-a-member
    16. https://cira.ca/membership/manage-my-membership
    17. https://cira.ca/registrant-faqs
    18. Important also is how much the Board gets paid. https://cira.ca/board-compensation
    Questions? Contact us!

    For more information or for assistance, please contact Member Services, Monday to Friday, 8:30 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. (ET):

    Email: member.services@cira.ca Toll free: 1-877-913-5335​
     
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    https://cira.ca/legal-policy-compliance
    CA Canadian Presence Requirements
    How CIRA keeps our ccTLD Canadian.

    Registrant Information Validation (RIV)
    How CIRA ensures .CA Registrants comply with Canadian Presence Requirements.

    Best practices for registering a .CA
    Some of our top tips to keep in mind while registering a domain name.

    CIRA's Dispute Resolution Policy (CDRP)
    CDRP is designed to address clear-cut cases of bad faith registration of .CA domain names.

    CIRA's official policies
    Policies related to both .CA Registrants and Registrars, as well as CIRA's governance and membership.

    Domain name disputes
    Here we outline two types of issues and how you can resolve them.
     
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    On the same day it was announced all the new registrar employees joining up, I was contacted by someone who attended a conference I spoke at to let me know he had been interviewed and accepted. So auDA are still interviewing potential members unless they are supply members it would seem. What a corrupt and grubby industry. These aholes have destroyed the .com.au brand. You may not see it today but you will in a couple of years if these crooks still have the keys. I wonder if the new members know what class they are in.
     
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    The rumours are that over 500 of the new members are from from the Philippines, Indonesia, China etc. If that is true they are likely people who don't even know what auDA is.

    We'll get confirmation when the membership list gets updated (little doubt they'll take as long as possible to do that) and it will also need members to go to auDA's office to inspect the register of members.

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    https://www.auda.org.au/about-auda/our-org/constitution/#10
     
  12. Scott.L

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    auDA Member:
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    Why hasn’t auDA published their Member Applicant policy? Is it subject to change to suit their agenda?

    So, What has been published in this regard.

    auDA Board schedule states;
    The board is to meet on the 18th June, leaving the Board to decide these New Members on the 25th of May [Ajorned meeting]
    According to the auDA website;

    the cut-off date for member approval is 7 days prior to the Next Board meeting.

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    …this is interesting because those 955 New Members are required to submit their application by Wednesday 16th May to be approved by the Board on the 23rd of May Board Meeting

    We know on the 23rd May, 31 members were approved by the Board [not 955 members] and their names were published in the Minutes.

    So, how and when were 955 applicants approved by the Board?

    Was it the 20th April Board Meeting, which would require applicants to have submitted their application by Friday 13th April [7 days prior]

    The April 20 Minutes contain no Membership applicants for Board approval. Also, would it be fair to argue that a real potential “conflict of Interest” exists with the independent Directors subject to the pending SGM, and they should not be approving applications for membership?
    If so. Up until May 11 the company did not have a quorum to approve new members. And if they do have a quorum then only 31 New applicants were approved by the Board on 23rd May [not 955].

    Here's what it would look like on April 20th - If Conflict of interest was imposed due to SGM, a quorum of only 4 people.

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    Wait theres more…

    The Minutes on the 23rd of May, do not contain anything about the announced “Stakeholder engagement” that attracted 955 new members, as reported on the 18th June 2018

    image taken from the 25th of May Minutes
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    This would mean, a Board meeting must have been convened between the 25th of May and the 18th June, also the applicants would be bound by the 7 day rule for new applicants, leaving the cut off date unknown to approve the 955 new member applicants. So did they cooked up this “stakeholder engagement strategy’ within 7 days after the 25th of May meeting, because its not noted in the 25th May Minutes?

    Now it gets magical – According to auDA’s own published policy rule for membership applications, it states;

    Yep, approval of applicants is performed at the “Next scheduled meeting” held on….drum roll.......18th June 2018.

    It would be impossible to approve any new applicant on or prior to the 18th of June based on their own published rule. However, Affilias let the cat out of the bag on the 17th of June, by announcing their own staff have become members. WTF!

    How did auDA do that? It’s a day before the actual Scheduled Board Meeting held on the 18th June.

    .............................................................

    No wonder auDA wont publish their Member Policy - I bet they wont even give it to the CMWG. [it either doesnt exist or its probably subject to change at a moments notice, and I wouldn't be surprised to see them state, "error has been identified on the website regarding board approval time frames for new members" [or something to that effect]
     
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    Yes unless someone starts to doctor up the paperwork...then make the redacted doctored version available...??

    At the auDA CMWG meeting yesterday someone had integrity to at least ask the auDA CEO Cameron Boardman if they could inspect the new member list. Cameron Boardman told them ( and the CMWG ) they could when it was ready but to do so they would need to pay the fee... Then the CMWG member stated under the law they can inspect it at no charge..... Oh the games the current auDA Management and Board love to play.

    Accountable and Transparent? Absolute B.S.

    Do not doubt for a minute this has been 100% rigged it seems. How else can they says its ok now for Supply to openly stack demand class with Supply staff and that its ok for the Supply employers to pay for it all!

    No checks from auDA to verify each member was even human and it was all ready and apparently announced via the usual auDA PR SpIn B.S. media release before the Board even voted and approved it all last Monday!


    It is probable their intention was to make sure they rigged it in time for any SGM or AGM but they will miss the SGM.

    auDA had not created the most obvious reason warranting Government takeover or an EOI for other to do it better.

    Will the new Supply stacked Demand Class members list show all of the new members phone numbers, emails addresses, countries, full legal names etc? Lets wait to see what they can create...

    Now we have over 500 foreign non Australian citizens who work for Supply signed up as Demand class auDA members brought on by auDA managements desperate tactics to stay in power and keep the cash cow going for themselves.

    How much is auDA paying for PR now? Should members be told?
    Who are their PR Spindoctors? Should members be told?

    The usual answer from Cameron Boardman and thr Board when they want to dodge or ignore questions and valid concerns by many stakeholders is we cant tell you or we wont provide that ... " Commercial in confidence".
     
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  14. Bacon Farmer

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    Oops that's embarrassing... [response for Scott's post]
     
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    Another question has been circulating and making news including from within auDA itself apparently.

    Should auDA members know what this FOI is all about? ( and no I did not submit it or know anything about it until I read for updates on other auDA FOI's and spotted it! Don't shoot the messenger...Many people have been talking about it! .... Government review and requirements states clearly auDA to become far more Accountable and Transparent.... )

    https://www.righttoknow.org.au/request/auda_ceo_blair_cameron_boardman

    "Dear Department of Communications and the Arts,

    Does the auDA CEO Blair Cameron Boardman have the qualifications of MBA (Monash) and LLM (La Trobe)?"
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    https://www.righttoknow.org.au/request/au_domain_administration_ltd_aud#outgoing-4446"
     
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    auDA Member:
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    …if afilias staff did not become auDA members prior to the 18th June Board meeting.

    Why say…[confidently]
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    Question.

    When did auDA inform the affilias staff that they could join auDA? On the 17th, 16th,15th, 14th, 13th, 12th ? Then it contravenes published policy. [7 day rule] and it contravenes the auDA constitution;
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    On the 17th June, Afilias stated:
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    They [Afilias staff] must have learned about it prior to the 11th June, otherwise their membership is invalid.

    On the 18th of June Mr Boardman stated;
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    When did they all become aware, when did they Join? Boardman and Co must have concocted this “marketing initiative” prior to the 11th of June. [to satisfy the member applicant published policy and the auDA constitution 9.7]
    upload_2018-6-21_23-39-9.png
    This month? According to the 7-day rule - They were only eligible to apply for membership up to the 11th of this month! That’s a funny month Mr Boardman. It’s not even 2 weeks.

    So, What does it mean for those applicants who applied for auDA Membership?
    Any member who applied and paid after the 11th June did not meet the Member Applicant Published Policy as stated on auDA’s Website and 9.7 of the auDA constitution.

    In other words, You better have a Valid receipt.
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    Your going to get vetted.
     
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    [​IMG]
    Everyone can clearly see this was stacked by the auDA CEO and others from the Board and Supply with vested interests at play.

    Billions of people outside of Australia are "underrepresented" and not auDA members. Does auDA Management and Board now want them all to sign up as auDA members pay and auDA will just add them to the auDA revenue and potential stacked vote count they can use?

    The Conflicts of Interest cannot be more obvious to those with integrity.

    NO other company or domain name administration body in the world have ever done anything like this. It might be common for political parties stacking but that's why so many of them also get caught eventually.

    This makes it very clear why all 4 SGM Resolutions need a Yes Vote.

    auDA and Afilias made their new member public press release / member release announcements before the auDA Board had even voted and approved the new memberships!

    Did auDA ( staff or board) have any involvement directly or indirectly in the Sunday 17 June 2018 Afilias announcement and other Press releases put out by Laurie Patton of Afilias?

    100% Rigged.

    www.Grumpier.com.au
     
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    I'm curious as to why any demand directors would approve these membership applications.

    These new members will probably vote in their own, Afilias, or Chinese or Philippino directors at the AGM.

    I mean they've got a mind of their own or will they vote as directed by their bosses.

    Perhaps the companies will organise their votes like they organised their membership applications.
     
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    You have to remember that every Chinese person is required to act for the state.

    It's ok though, at least Afilias isn't Huawei and auDA aren't administering national infrastructure..... oh wait how many of those new members are Chinese?

    C'mon Cam, put down your LLB (lemon lime & bitters) and show some transparency.