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Nominet proposes shorter .uk domains

Discussion in 'Domain News' started by FirstPageResults, Oct 2, 2012.

  1. findtim

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    i'd like to retract the word "excuse" , in hindsight i think it was the wrong word, unfortunately i don't know what other word to use?

    but apologies to johno69

    tim
     
  2. Ash

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    Observation would probably do?
     
  3. brettf

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    Firstly it's a weak excuse to say it's only happened in rubbish name space. What about .ca, .jp ... I can go on it's a long list, .nl, .at etc etc. The facts don't back up the statements.

    Next people tend to only focus on a model where allocation based on rights and or payment exists. You may have a model that dones focus on that and looks like:

    1) All domains with .com.au enter reserved list in .au Registry for say 5 years

    2) Within the 5 years if the .com.au expires/drops, then the .au becomes available for normal registration. First in best dressed.

    3) If within the 5 years both parties who hold the .com.au/net.au domains consent to allowing the registration of the .au, one party gets first option. You'd find they would simply have a private discussion, some agreements would take $, some wouldn't.

    4) At the end of 5 years, all .au domains open to normal registration - first in best dressed just like say the drop service runs today. I'd imagine all registrars would participate in the process, not just Drop/Netfleet. A fixed time frame stops an ongoing stalemate between the .com.au and .net.au owners.

    I think the other things to consider are:

    1) The new tld's if they are wildly successful (and I'm not optimistic but you never know), may well pressure auDA to look at opening .au regardless.

    2) Opening up a new space possibly diminishes value in some portfolios, but opens opportunity in others. I don't think domainers who are generally smart with regards to long term domain value will lose out, in fact they'll probably do well.

    3) Most arguments are based on retaining existing domain policy or .com.au and .au would be aligned. Maybe com.au stays as is, maybe .au is completely open to anyone. Or .net.au has all policy removed so it's differentiated and drives growth in the space.

    Do I see challenges? Absolutely. Is my model above brilliant? Not really, it's just one way it might look, there's 10's and 10's of options available, I think most big hurdles can be solved to the majority of domain registrants.

    In a lot of respects though having been involved in this debate many times I think it has a lot of parallels to the .xxx debate.

    You had the porn industry aligning with the ultra conservatives both with their own different agendas (porn didn't want the value of their .com real estate diminished, the conservatives just didn't want porn on the internet period). So a strange marriage. Both parties emotionally argued if .xxx was allowed the sky would fall in. Clearly .xxx happened and the world went on as usual for all of us.

    Here we have domainers aligning with the ultra anti-business types who feel domains are a utility, should be free and the internet not commercialized at all (obviously the opposite of the domainer community), ultimately taking the same position just like .xxx. I feel just like .xxx the arguments of the sky will fall in will eventuate to zero if it ever happens. Life will just go on.
     
  4. johno69

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    Accepted and appreciated.
     
  5. findtim

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    I have a few idn .com's and i am of the belief that i will be offered first option with country script version. I think the same should apply here


    Interesting point regarding .net.au owners
     
  8. neddy

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    Getting back to the original subject, Nominet have now shelved setting up .uk (for now at least!).

    If you want to read a chronological media coverage of how it all went down (and the issues involved), Edwin Hayward (long time domainer from the UK and a really good operator) put together this:

    http://www.mydomainnames.co.uk/articles.html

    Cheers, Ned
     
  9. snoopy

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    A new proposal today,

    I would think that drops values of .co.uk's would halve or more on this news (assuming it has a good chance of going ahead). Might be a good barometer for what .co.uk's are going to be worth after any introduction of .uk.
     
  10. findtim

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    oldest given priority: so would that mean that a dropped and then picked up .co.uk be "younger" then the never dropped .net.uk ?

    tim
     
  11. snoopy

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    Yes, the .net.uk (or me.uk) would have priority for the .uk.
     
  12. DnEbook

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    If it aint broken .........don't fix it
     
  13. Cooper Mills DomainLawyer

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    I cant see any level of support for direct registrations for .au direct registrations, for instance the last auDA Names Policy Panel did not recommend it, in the final report.
     
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  14. chris

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    Good move.

    It's hard enough for non-savvy users to understand .com and .com.au, adding more options would add even more confusion.

    Cheers,
    Chris
     
  15. snoopy

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    I think it really just comes from revenue raising.
     
  16. snoopy

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    Same think happened in the UK with their "Policy Advisory Board"

    I think it is an issue that will continue to crop up, a deciding factor is likely to be AUDA wanting more revenue than anything else.

    http://www.mydomainnames.co.uk/ukpositionpaper.pdf
     
  17. chris

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    Interesting, thanks for the link snoopy.

    Another good reason to become an auDA member and get involved in the discussions :)
     
  18. findtim

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    good article, thanks snoopy.

    does anyone think there is a long lineup at the trademark registra in the uk right now?

    tim
     
  19. snoopy

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    New new proposal looks to be soley based on owning a .co.uk, me.uk etc & the date it was registered.
     
  20. DomainNames

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    Hi Erhan,

    You previously posted "I cant see any level of support for direct registrations for .au direct registrations"

    Please post here the new evidence / levels of support for direct registration for .au direct registrations.

    It is now very clear with evidence available the 2015 surveys where not only poorly worded but Yes Vote stacked as where other processes.

    Let's see the very clear evidence.

    1. Who has supported it?
    2. What information where they provided to make their decision and who from?
    3. How many existing .au registrants know about the proposed change and had the information to enable them to make informed submissions and participate in surveys etc

    In their auDA Board Director campaign I think Ned and Nicole itemised it fairly well about the dodgy process auDA Management and Board followed and nothing has changed since. In fact the scales of justice are now very much heavier on the side of No.
     
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