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new TLD'S "Failing" and drastic price discount

Discussion in 'Domain News' started by DomainNames, Mar 24, 2017.

  1. snoopy

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    Godaddy home page. I'd say .club is very reliant on "paid placements" at 99 cents to get volume.

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  2. DnEbook

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    Then they lose all that traction at renewal time
     
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  3. snoopy

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    Yea, I suspect the problem will be in they try to charge regular renewals. To me it is similar to .mobi or .co.

    As far as ntlds go it is the best of a bad bunch.
     
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  4. DnEbook

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    Yet still no recognition by the critical mass, until the "facebook" comes along using a New Gtld they will remain hidden
     
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  5. snoopy

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    This will never happen because the only reason someone would use a ntld for something important would because of a lack of funding. We have seen popular sites use new tlds before, e.g. delicious, but once they get a certain amount of funding they will be able to afford the .com.
     
  6. DnEbook

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    Yep. always gotta get the .com to be successful on a global scale for sure
     
  7. snoopy

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    Right on brother!
     
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  8. DomainNames

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    The facts show the failure... Look at the registrars buying their own names to try and save the extensions reputation..before they flop.
    It won't be long before even the registrars drop them
    Stick to .com, .com.au, .co.uk, .co.nz etc etc Not even goog;le and the multinationals waste their money on many of the other extensions as they know it just a waste of money and it can backfire on their search and google results...
    https://twitter.com/thedomains/status/881654978930253827

    "So 62% of all Gs are parked another 6% are going to be deleted that's 70% right there; 48% owned by China & US is down to just 10.4%"​
     
  9. snoopy

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    .sydney and .melbourne are both still going nowhere still despite godaddy dropping the price by 90% (to under $10) on new registrations.

    The respective governments must be losing huge amounts of money given advertising and promotion is be done for the sake of half a dozen registrations per day,

    .Sydney Total registrations

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    .Sydney Registrations per day

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  11. DomainNames

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    Include the failed .Melbourne and Send that to auDA's Board and the auDA CEO
    Cameron Boardman | Chief Executive Officer
    .au Domain Administration Ltd
    T: 1300 732 929 | F: 03 8341 4112
    E: cameron.boardman@auda.org.au | W: www.auda.org.au
    Twitter: @auda | Blog: www.auda.org.au/blog‪‪‫ 
    auDA - Australia's Domain Name Administrator

    CEO FAIL GRADE for new domain name extension policy development and implementation?

    https://atlarge.icann.org/apralo/cameron-boardman-bio-en
    "Previously Mr Boardman led the policy development on behalf of the Victorian Government regarding the implementation of the .melbourne domain."
     
  12. snoopy

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    This is part of the reason why .au is destined to fail if brought in in my view. Their direct experience at launching a new tld is .melbourne & .sydney, and AUDA's last attempt at a new ntld was .id.au.

    I get the impression AUDA may think they can do better than .uk if they study it enough, they seem to think they can avoid the mistakes .uk made and have a better result.

    For example AUDA's latest research (citing .uk),


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    The main reason it has no momentum is there is little demand beyond defensive registration. A 5 year option wasn't the reason for it flopping.

    Then we get the old "we know what we are talking about" quote,

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    And then this one,

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    You cannot "educate" people to use a new tld, just like you can't "educate" someone buy a Ford Falcon or to use a Blackberry instead of an iPhone.
    The product needs to be compelling, market demand not "education" and .au will never be compelling.

    https://auda.org.au/assets/pdf/auDA-direct-reg-phase-I.pdf
     
  13. snoopy

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    Upcoming deletes for ntlds look to have reached a record high with ntldstats reporting 3,485,169 names in that status, 12.99% of all new tlds registered.

    I was curious about the size of this as it has gotten way bigger than just .xyz and .top registrations and it seem to be very widespread, for example .vip has 100k names in coming up (12%), .tech 20k, .space 12k. Every 2nd extension has massive deletions in the pipe line.
     
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  14. Scott.L

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    auDA Member:
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    I reckon the problem with gTLD's is found in the lack of policy market arbitrage, it’s not exploitable by investors to allow traders an opportunity to profit. Plus, the Increasing opportunity cost to exploit any profit from a policy market arbitrage without any stimulant to allow a trade-off fundamentally reduces the values of gTLD's, in favour of returning to a more stabilised (.com)
     
  15. snoopy

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    Agree, registries have attempted to trap all the profits. I don't blame them for that though, I'd do the same thing if running one of these tlds.

    My view is there is no market demand either. It is all defensive registrations and domainers and both of those two markets are likely in decline for ntld sellers.

    At the end of the day it is a very poor quality product that is being sold. Normally with a dud product it would simply be discontinued, in the case of ntld domains though it will be a long slide down because of the large costs involved with shutting down an ntld.
     
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  16. Scott.L

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    True, just look at chart for the past 2 weeks it’s obvious. the abandonment rate is ridiculous

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    https://ntldstats.com/
     
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  17. DomainNames

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    auDA staff and the auDA Board plus their "consulting" firms needs to not only read this but understand it and accept it.

    Time for the Buillshi$ to stop.

    .Melbourne has been a total disaster.
    Is this what the auDA CEO and the auDA Board have plans to do again with their new plans for a "better" new .au extension? FAIL
     
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  18. snoopy

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    Ironic that I have only ever seen 3 people defend .Melbourne, and all 3 were also AUDA directors!
     
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  19. snoopy

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    btw: do you know what has happen to the Deliotte report? AUDA seem to have some data because the CEO was talking about the economic impact of .au but not on the .au business case which they stated would be publicly released?


    Surely that report would be complete by now?
     
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  20. Scott.L

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    i suppose when calculated together these two extension scraped in a measly $1m+ in gross revenue - I'de say the tax payer hasnt received any net gain from its implemnetation. More likely registrants in this space are still trying to figure out how best to utilise it. (way to restrictive to succeed) pays for the staff christmas party perhaps...lol
     
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