1. Welcome to DNTrade. If you want to find out about the latest domain name industry news or talk, share, learn, buy, sell, trade or develop domain names - then you've come to the right place. It's a diverse and active community, with domain investors, web developers and online marketers - and it's free! Click here to join now.
    Dismiss Notice

Monitoring .com.au for potential expire/drop

Discussion in 'General Domain Discussion' started by snoopy, Sep 12, 2012.

  1. snoopy

    snoopy Membership: VIP

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2010
    Messages:
    4,364
    Likes Received:
    1,631
    Just wondering what method people use to monitor particular names for potential expiration. Do any of the drop houses have a free service alerting to registry changes?
     
  2. Ashman

    Ashman Membership: Trader

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2012
    Messages:
    494
    Likes Received:
    76
    Don't see how that would be possible given that the registration date and the expiration date are not public info and it wouldn't be in the interests of the policy makers to publish it.
     
  3. johno69

    johno69 Membership: VIP

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2008
    Messages:
    2,663
    Likes Received:
    422
    auDA Member:
    Yes
    With the drops lists being public and the drop houses having history records it's not difficult for them to add 2 years to caught domains to get some idea or the updated expiry dates.
     
  4. Ashman

    Ashman Membership: Trader

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2012
    Messages:
    494
    Likes Received:
    76
    I think the point of having public expiration dates is to find out what's due to expire before a domain hits a drop list. So that buyers can contact domain owners directly to negotiate a price before the domain hits the drop list.

    So with a domain like GoldBullion.com.au the owner either forgot to renew it, let it expire or didn't receive a renewal notification. If the expiration date was public knowledge a buyer could approach the domain owner and offer to purchase it. They could probably have picked up goldbullion.com.au for half the price of the auction price.

    Ask Netfleet or Drop if they would be happy with a system like that.
     
    Last edited: Sep 12, 2012
  5. johno69

    johno69 Membership: VIP

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2008
    Messages:
    2,663
    Likes Received:
    422
    auDA Member:
    Yes
    Yes I understand your point.

    So while not 100% accurate, if the history of the caught drops for the last 2 years was available, you'd have a list of all coming up expiry dates.

    Excluding changes for other reasons, cors etc.

    So my point is while this data may not be public, I'm sure it's still accessible to some.

    I've started keeping a spreadsheet of caught domains for a while but it won't be of use until I've been doing it 2 years.

    By then the Whois might show it anyway..
     
  6. Ashman

    Ashman Membership: Trader

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2012
    Messages:
    494
    Likes Received:
    76
    I have a list too at Expired Domain List since 8/8/12 with already 37,000 records, adding about 1,000 new records a day.
     
  7. johno69

    johno69 Membership: VIP

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2008
    Messages:
    2,663
    Likes Received:
    422
    auDA Member:
    Yes
    I doubt that very much. They would have renewed it and asked for 5 times that amount and probably rightfully so.
     
  8. Ashman

    Ashman Membership: Trader

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2012
    Messages:
    494
    Likes Received:
    76
    So your saying they either forgot to renew it or didn't receive the renewal notification?
     
  9. johno69

    johno69 Membership: VIP

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2008
    Messages:
    2,663
    Likes Received:
    422
    auDA Member:
    Yes
    Could be one of many reasons. But nobody with half a brain would let that expire.

    Alerting them to the fact it was approaching expiry would guarantee renewal IMO.

    Watch the NZ drops to see this in action.
     
  10. neddy

    neddy Membership: VIP

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2008
    Messages:
    3,669
    Likes Received:
    1,094
    auDA Member:
    Yes
    You're absolutely right Paul.

    The previous owner is a publicly listed company - check archive.org. What's $20 / $30 to them?

    (Actually, cancel that. The previous registrar was MelbIt - say no more!). ;)

    Remember Hardware.com.au? Why would anyone let a name like that expire? OzDomainer covered it here: http://www.ozdomainer.com/bunnings-lets-hardware-com-au-expire/

    Many others that I can also quote.
     
  11. Ashman

    Ashman Membership: Trader

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2012
    Messages:
    494
    Likes Received:
    76
    It might lead to a renewal or it might lead to a sale. If it lead to a sale then at least the proceeds would be spread out and not all going to the drop catch sites.
     
  12. johno69

    johno69 Membership: VIP

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2008
    Messages:
    2,663
    Likes Received:
    422
    auDA Member:
    Yes
    Do you think the majority of drops that have fetched upward of say $1k have been intentionally let expire?
     
  13. neddy

    neddy Membership: VIP

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2008
    Messages:
    3,669
    Likes Received:
    1,094
    auDA Member:
    Yes
    What do you have against the drop catch sites?
     
  14. Cooper Mills DomainLawyer

    Cooper Mills DomainLawyer Membership: VIP

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2008
    Messages:
    1,512
    Likes Received:
    515
    auDA Member:
    Yes
    Interesting, Ashman's tool seems great.

    One of the reasons for not publishing the expiry dates of domains was to prevent an old practice where just before expiry, resellers would harvest the expiry dates and then send a renewal / transfer notice out to the registrant, who would then unwittingly end up renewing through a reseller instead of the direct registrar relationship which they had. It used to happen to Melbourne IT all the time
     
  15. DavidL

    DavidL Membership: VIP

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2008
    Messages:
    2,613
    Likes Received:
    19
    auDA Member:
    Yes
    No way in the world. Think about it - you manage to get through to the right person and let them know their domain name is about to expire and you're keen to buy it.

    They then renew it of course and then will simply say 'Thanks for letting us know but sorry, not for sale'.

    Why would they, a listed company let go of a generic domain like that? They aren't in the business of selling domains, especially a domain that, once developed, is going to directly compete against them.

    So they will shut up shop. Sure you might be able to tempt them with a $20K or $30K offer but they aren't going to accept half of what the true wholesale market value is, that's for sure.

    Instead it will be renewed and unloved for the next 10 years - another great domain going to waste.

    If you think otherwise, and that you can actually negotiate an attractive purchase directly with an end-user like that, then why wait for it to expire? Just hit any old domain owner up directly through whois. You'll be in exactly the same position but you'll have 2.5m prospects rather than weeding through 1,000 per day.

    Remember he tried to start a competing drop catch service which didn't go so well. So if you can't beat 'em, whinge about 'em!!
     
  16. Ashman

    Ashman Membership: Trader

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2012
    Messages:
    494
    Likes Received:
    76
    Oh that's right David you have inside knowledge of my business model because you apparently know everything. You have been using that same old uninformed statement since I first joined this site. David you're just a sour ass who doesn't take to any discussion when talking about alternatives to Netfleet.
     
    Last edited: Sep 13, 2012
  17. DavidL

    DavidL Membership: VIP

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2008
    Messages:
    2,613
    Likes Received:
    19
    auDA Member:
    Yes
    It was on your website from memory - you've now changed it. Are you telling me you didn't harbour intentions to secure expiring domains for your clients?

    Hmm... I take to the discussion happily. I just don't agree that your idea will work.

    Why not respond to my argument rather than resorting to childish personal insults like you always seem to do? Here it is again - please professionally point out where I've got it wrong..

    PS - the other thing to note is hindsight. Now it seems obvious that buying it for $2.5K from the original registrant would have been a steal. However, in your heart of hearts, Ashman, would you really have contacted that registrant and tried to buy it for $2.5K last week? Honestly? Did you bid $2.5K on Drop & Snapper yesterday and if not why not?

    PPS - stop copying my damn stars ★ LOL
     
    Last edited: Sep 13, 2012
  18. johno69

    johno69 Membership: VIP

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2008
    Messages:
    2,663
    Likes Received:
    422
    auDA Member:
    Yes
    This isn't as useful as a list of caught domains though. These could be hand registered at any time or date.

    A list of caught names from 2 years ago would give you some exact data on up coming expiry dates.
     
  19. Ashman

    Ashman Membership: Trader

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2012
    Messages:
    494
    Likes Received:
    76
    David if your going to make such claims at least back it up with some evidence otherwise your just talking rubbish.

    I actually agreed with your discussion about contacting end users and you raised some valid points. However, what I dislike is that you always must end your discussions by raising previous posts in some attempt to justify that your opinion must be better than someone else. You should yourself take note of making childish insults like you usually do!
     
  20. Ash

    Ash Membership: Trader

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2010
    Messages:
    1,145
    Likes Received:
    63
    This is a smart idea. Are you keeping records for them all, or just the ones you are interested in?

    I've jotted down the catch date of a few names I missed on the drops, but haven't thought to expand this for all.