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Afilias chosen as new .au registry operator

Discussion in 'Domain News' started by Cheyne, Dec 18, 2017.

  1. Cheyne

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    If I were you, I would have a good read of their DOCA response that was slipped out prior to the registry announcement yesterday, noting point 3.4 in particular.

    Under the heading Inability to Borrow Funds, according to them, they only hold enough cash for 1.5 years of operating costs and they believe this is insufficient.

    So a curious mind has to ask the obvious question... where is the money going to come from? Is this their way of putting their hand out to the Government? Or is it the justification for increasing their fee? Time will tell I guess.

    But I strongly recommend everybody have a good read of that document because there are some absolute gems in there!
     
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  2. snoopy

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    I wonder why a not for profit government endorsed body needs to borrow funds? Is this about dreams of running the registry again? I wonder what are the "key strategic decisions as exercised by other ccTLDs".

    The "complex legal case" is of high risk because of the direct registration proposal (e.g. a class action), but it doesn't matter much if they had $16million or $60million in the bank in my view because the damages would be higher than that if they lost the case.
     
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  3. Lemon

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    Reading and comprehension are different skill sets.
     
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  4. Lemon

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    If any are looking to sell then I know of people who are looking to invest.
     
  5. DomainNames

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    Can you list the absolute gems and your feedback on them?
     
  6. DomainNames

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    Please list the new auDA and Afilias .au wholesale pricing so we can confirm your statement is factual.
     
  7. DomainNames

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    The new Wholesale Registry start date is over 6 months away...July 1st 2018 That seems to be more than amble time considering it has been known by everyone this was the time frame for the new contract to start no matter who won it.

    There was always the chance of a new wholesale registry provider winning I am sure some will take up the opportunity quickly and be ready well before 6 months time.
     
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  8. snoopy

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    It is certainly a strange situation that pricing wouldn't be announced at the same time as the winning tenderer.
     
  9. DomainNames

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    Afilias is already a solid provider globally. I would not be wasting time second guessing their ability to do this job quickly and securely.

    If auDA did not negotiate a lower wholesale price than auDA will be the ones in trouble.

    Massive profits have been made by Ausregistry and auDA from the .au wholesale pricing. This is fact. Fat can be cut out of the wholesale pricing.

    The wholesale price better come down or consumer action ( Registrars, Resellers .au domain name registrants) will occur this time and auDA may find themselves without their role as .au management all together..

    It will not be a surprise if other new organisation proposals get to government to take over the .au management from auDA if this does not give benefits to lower wholesale pricing. This was specified as being important that a reduction occurred.

    auDA needs to also cut its spending far more and lower their share of the .au wholesale price pie. Plus what is happening with the auDA Foundation money $$$ ? If they can't we need a new CEO.
     
  10. snoopy

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    Hopefully when pricing comes out they will have removed the AUDA foundation contribution.
     
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  11. Lemon

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    So what you are saying is that a NFP should not give back to the community.
    Personally I think it should be increased.
     
  12. Lemon

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    If you were a registrar you would know the wholesale price. You are not.
    Does Safeway or Coles tell the customer the wholesale price of tomatoes or apples?
    Yes we paid $1 a kg but we are charging you $4.50.
    When you sell a domain for $1000 do you tell the buyer you only paid $22?
    IMO it is a mistake for auDA to publicly announce wholesale pricing.
     
  13. DomainNames

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    https://www.auda.org.au/news/auda-extends-ausregistrys-au-registry-term-to-2014/
    Posted by Jo Lim on 26 February 2009
    new pricing that sees a drop in the AusRegistry wholesale price to $14 (for a 2 year licence) for com.au and net.au domains and further drops as volumes increase"



    https://www.auda.org.au/about-auda/...15/8-october-2015-auda-board-meeting-minutes/
    "S Johnson raised a question regarding competition law and the possible perception of a cartel,"



    https://www.auda.org.au/about-auda/our-org/constitution/
    3.2 Activities
    Without reducing the effect of clause 4, auDA will see to achieve its principal purposes as set out in clause 3.1 through:
    b. establishing mechanisms to ensure it is responsive and accountable to the supply and demand sides of the Australian Internet Community;
    c. the promotion of competition in the provision of domain name services;
    d. the promotion of fair trading;
    e. the promotion of consumer protection;
    f. adopting open and transparent procedures which are inclusive of all parties having an interest in use of the domain name system in Australia;
    g. ensuring its operations produce timely outputs which are relevant to the needs of the Australian Internet Community.
    (Amended by Special Resolution, 14 August 2006)

    https://halson.com.au/
    "Greater transparency and accountability."
     
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  14. DomainNames

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    Are you aware of the issues the auDA Foundation has had?
     
  15. JackBeNimble

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    8 years ago.
    The price of electricity alone over the past 8 years more than justifies the price staying the same.

    Also, it's $7 a year.

    Also, NFP doesn't mean no money in a bank.
     
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  16. snoopy

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    Do you think the AUDA foundation has done a good job with the money?

    Why won't AUDA release the PPB report?
     
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    When AUDA does come out with the price it is going to be interesting to see if all these similar supply side assessments were accurate or not.
     
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  18. DomainNames

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    auDA has $16 million in the bank
    Problems with auDA and auDA Foundation finances
    Questions about "Cartel" behaviour...

    I would be very careful defending pricing or discussing price signalling etc if I was anyone at auDA or in Supply.

    The ACCC are going to be doing a major investigation of auDA and they are already now reading forum posts where pricing is being discussed!

    https://www.accc.gov.au/business/anti-competitive-behaviour/cartels
    https://www.accc.gov.au/business/anti-competitive-behaviour/anti-competitive-conduct
    https://www.accc.gov.au/business/anti-competitive-behaviour/collective-bargaining-boycotts
    https://www.accc.gov.au/business/anti-competitive-behaviour/imposing-minimum-resale-prices
    https://www.accc.gov.au/business/anti-competitive-behaviour/misuse-of-market-power
    https://www.accc.gov.au/business/anti-competitive-behaviour/unconscionable-conduct
     
  19. Lemon

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    I think giving back to the community is an important part of a NFP.
    Looking at the recipients of grants from the auDA Foundation do you think any are not worthy?
    https://www.audafoundation.org.au/grant-recipients/

    Perhaps the Australian Domainers Association should apply.
     
  20. Lemon

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    What are you talking about Sean.
    The Registry sets a wholesale price.
    Registrars set their own retail price.
    The consumer has a choice of where to buy.
    How is that anti competitive?