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Question for fabulous.com and similiar services

Discussion in 'General Domain Discussion' started by justme, Oct 7, 2010.

  1. justme

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    First, hello, lurker and now first time poster.

    I noticed the top sales recently include

    SexToys.com.au $25,500
    SexShop.com.au $4,000

    First, I'm surprised at the difference in pricing on the two above domains.

    Then for these generic names the sale prices are listed as:

    Stay.com.au $14,000
    Surfing.com.au $4,000
    Boxing.com.au $3,800
    stuff.com.au $5,000


    I recently became interested in a generic aussie domain name (undeveloped) and contacted the seller who has an asking price far in excess of the above generic names, yet the name I'm interested in I don't believe has anywhere the potential for income as the above generic names.

    So finally, my questions:

    Are many/most/any "direct" sales with services like fabulous achieving prices far in excess of the above or are they at a similar of lower price?

    Are any sellers/buyers through fabulous (or even the service providers such as fabulous) willing to list what domain(s) they have sold/purchased and the price?
     
  2. Nova

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    Don't be put off by the asking price. Negotiate and you'll be pleasantly surprised. My last 2 domains were purchased for 1/10th of the asking price.

    Nova
     
  3. FirstPageResults

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    Welcome justme.

    There is a big difference in quality between these two names.

    Firstly, the amount of local monthly searches for "sex toys" is roughly 3 times greater than "sex shop".

    Secondly, "sex toys" has greater potential for phrase searches. (e.g. "latex sex toys")

    And thirdly, sex toys is dealing with a specific niche of the sex industry and therefor should convert better than a broad term like sex shop.
     
  4. snoopy

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    Agree, sextoys.com.au sounds like a much better money maker.
     
  5. Drop.com.au

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    Hi Justme,

    With the exception of the Drop.com.au Secondary Market Auctions, Fabulous.com does not currently offer a third party domain sales solution... yet.
    You can view Expired Domain and Secondary Market Auction results at https://www.drop.com.au/auction/history/.

    Cheers

    Andrew
     
  6. Simon Johnson

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    We maintain a free historical database of domain sales at Domainer Income. To our knowledge its the largest publically available database going back several years.

    Hope you find what you are looking for.
     
  7. justme

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    Maybe I haven't described it correctly.

    On an Australian domain name that I'm interested in, the site appears monetised by fabulous and on the base of the page it states:

    "Fabulous.com THIS DOMAIN IS FOR SALE domainname.com.au BUY NOW Offer"

    Based on the above, I assume Fabulous are the 3rd party acting on behalf of the domain owner, so I'm still curious about my original questions in my first post of sales between the domain owner/fabulous as the intermediatery and the buyer:

    Are many/most/any "direct" sales with services like fabulous achieving prices far in excess of the above or are they at a similar of lower price?

    Are any sellers/buyers through fabulous (or even the service providers such as fabulous) willing to list what domain(s) they have sold/purchased and the price?
     
  8. Drop.com.au

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    Hi Justme,

    Okay, I can see what the issue is :)

    We offer a contact form and a for sale banner as an added value service for Fabulous.com domain monetisation customers. The contacts are forwarded directly to the domain owner and we do not get involved in any subsequent negotiation, nor charge a commission.

    It's easy to get the above confused with domains listed for sale via our Domain Distribution Network (our domain sales platform), as the 'for sale' banners are the same, but instead of a form the visitor gets taken to FabulousDomains to complete their transaction.

    Hope that clears things up.


    Andrew
     
  9. Nova

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    Hey Andrew, sorry it's off topic, but what's the date range for the historic data Expired Domain Sales?
     
  10. justme

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    Hi Andrew


    does clear it up thank you.

    From your experience, then as I'm sure you must get some feedback from sellers that have benefited from selling via your contact form, how does selling direct compare versus via DDN?

    Basically I'm trying to gauge if the sales price being asked is realistic as based on the recent sales of generic names published, the asking price is around 4 to 5 times higher than those. My heart instinctively tells me I want it, but logically so far based on the evidence of .com.au generic names, it seems overpriced. However, if private, direct sales are (often) much higher (or much lower) than the published auction sales, it helps in the decision making, or to make a more realistic offer.
     
  11. DomainNames

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    Hi JUST ME,

    SEXSHOP.COM.AU is still listed for sale. http://www.netfleet.com.au/index.php?a=d&id=117830 Did they sell it someother place for that low I would have bought it!

    If its a name you cant get our of your head and really really want it buy it. Go back and make more bids to the current owner.. show them you are not just a tire kicker and are a serious buyer.. we all get those! keep talking to the owner and dont give up if you want it!

    I have nearly shot myself lately when I got offered a name a few years back for $3700 usd from one owner now the market value is about $50,000 with the new owner. I have wanted the name for 7 years so Im putting together some $$ and will hopefully get it for $35,000 as per my last contact with the current owner. The name is not the highest ranking for google search etc but its totally the best "brandable" generic name so to me it's worth it.

    Moral of the story is no good names ever get cheaper.. the good ones only go up in value and there will always be people later willing to buy them

    Grab that name you want before somone else does.. you might be surprised that current owner drops his price if he knows you are serious. sellers financial situations might change.. he might need the money so make more offers!
     
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  12. Drop.com.au

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    Hi Nova,

    We are currently using a Google API that reports the "old" data - this is for the last reported month.

    Cheers

    Andrew
     
  13. Drop.com.au

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    Hi Justme,

    Actually we don't get any feedback from the owner managed 'for sale" banners, so I can't really make any comparisons.

    Cheers

    Andrew
     
  14. DavidL

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    Hi JustMe

    I think all those sales you listed were through Netfleet's standard aftermarket listings, not through auctions. So I guess that answers your first question - those sales are
    Recent Netfleet sales are here - http://www.netfleet.com.au/index.php?a=domainsales but for the most comprehensive sales data you should speak to Simon @ Domainer Income

    DomainNames - I think the buyer of SexShop.com.au has relisted it on Netfleet hoping to make a profit

    Hope that answers the questions relating to Netfleet - agree with all the reponses from others too
     
  15. Ben

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    Missed this thread.

    Hello again DNtraders, run Gordon, I'm back!

    I agree with the OP that the difference is so large. Yes 'Sex Toys' gets 3 times the volume but are 'Sex Toys' all a 'Sex Shop' sells? Do businesses in the real world call themselves 'Sex Toys' ? Lingerie, DVD's, Fetish Gear, there is lots more to it.

    I'm not saying SexToys.com.au isn't a very, very nice name/biz but there is more to domain value than just search volume (this coming from a SEO). Both are category killers, one is just a much larger harder to obtain category. I'd love to own SexToys.com.au too, but that's not likely now it's DEVELOPED!

    I admit my opinion is biased, being the owner of SexShop.com.au but that's why I bought it. The sale price might look pretty low but it was part of a bulk deal. Got a great price on it in the break up, but paid a lot for the deal.

    Since owning it I have done little with it due to other commitments. It's received a lot of offers on the name, some serious, some so hopeful it makes me wonder if they have a brain at all or realise how stupid they must think the owner is (a common theme in domainer enquiries, you can pick em). The name certainly wasn't bought for speculative reasons hoping to flick it on for a 2x profit, it was bought for development and long term residual income.

    While it *is* listed for sale (isn't everything for sale, at a price?) it's not going to sell for a measly sum and it produces a very tidy income (you'd be surprised) with the current set up (which isn't flash, nor optimal, but it works). WOM alone about the domain gets a lot of sales.

    Early next year the new site should start taking it's place. Owning the name is a good foot in the door for getting a quality deal with a merchant, drop shipper, or investor.

    I've been told the domain isn't worth what I'm asking (by some 'experts'), and I've been told it's worth a lot more. In the end the SexShop.com.au domain will be valuable for years to come and I sincerely hope my children's, children get to operate it as a business. A humorous legacy to leave. That is unless someone offers me something I cannot refuse in the interim.
     
  16. snoopy

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    No they don't, but this isn't the real world, it is the Internet where "niche" rules and the more specific the name the better (assuming similar popularity).

    People can run a business just selling say unicycles (a niche product) whereas in the real world this probably wouldn't work, they'd need to be selling bikes with unicycles on the side because they'll likely to selling to a local market rather than Australia wide. Would the unicycle seller online do better if they sold all types of bikes instead? Personally I doubt it.

    They are both great names but sextoys.com.au is significantly more valuable in my view.
     
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  17. Ben

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    Thanks Snoopy. I'd agree with that, I don't think I was saying it was more valuable was I?

    At some point niche names hit a ceiling. That's all I was saying.