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Make you think twice before buying another name

Discussion in 'SEO & SEM Discussions' started by Billy01, Aug 9, 2012.

  1. Billy01

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  2. snoopy

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    All this voice recognition stuff never works well.

    My brother in law cam over the other day talking about his new iphone and the voice recognition. I had a laugh and said ok, lets see it work,

    He said ok,

    "Ring Dad"

    The phone said something like "Dialing John Adams"

    So it was completely useless other than for annoying your fiends by calling the wrong number all the time. I'd be shocked if Google can come up with something that actually works. Some voices even a human can barely understand let along a computer trying to do it.
     
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    my brothers iphone4 has "siri" he said the other day "watch this" switch it on and said " siri you're an idiot" it then replied "i'm trying my best"

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    i have the google app on my iphone4 and was using it yesterday for search and found it pretty bloody good, so th e improved version should be great.

    it picked up the word "taree" but struggled with " wauchope"

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  5. Chris.C

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    I dunno about that Snoppy, I've been using Dragon Speak Naturally for a couple of years now for whenever I'm typing out something substantial and I'm always impressed by how accurate it is and how much time I save - though I have trained it a lot now so it does know my voice well.

    Being someone who tried voice recog software back in the early 2000 and flicked it after a week or two - I can definitely say it's come a LONG way over the last decade and with companies like Apple and Google throwing big money at it these days I think the improvement might be even more rapid.
     
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    I also use Dragon and the voice recognition is amazing.

    With all these posts lately regarding Google and search it does appear that the off-site SEO landscape will change dramatically very soon. You have to ask yourself is investing in domains names a worthwhile proposition anymore or would your money be better spent in the stock market.
     
  7. Billy01

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    Knowledge Graph Makes Me Think Changes Coming

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/aus...e-refines-google/story-e6frgakx-1226447097109

    Can't see how this years low sale prices worldwide and turnover of dot coms not being tied to the increase in mobile search.

    Buyers are aware already. Not buyers Beware. Panda and G+ sorted that out

    Maybe we should all have a look at the growth in Mobile?

    Cheap-Credit-Cards would hard to explain to the accountant when working out the value of your assets.
     
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    Can you explain the connection between voice recognition and domain names? Or even mobile search and domain names?

    Each commercial website (ie that delivers a product or service) will still need a domain name right? If you want to advertise your website, you would still prefer a short, easy to spell, authoritative sounding, memorable and descriptive domain wouldn't you?

    As for a domains bias in search this will continue whether that search is made on a mobile handset or by voice.

    Someone says 'indian restaurants in perth' into Google's 'SIRI' and the ranking algo will still give extra credit to the domain indianrestaurantsinperth.com.au.

    All we're talking about is a difference in how user intent is conveyed to Google, not how results are structured aren't we?

    The danger to domain values, as I see it, is if apps rather than websites start to become the major destination for users
     
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    I thought voice search would be handy for longer names, perhaps someone with a smartphone can do some testing for us ............my phone just rings

    Voice search may help with direct navigation to websites
     
  10. Shane

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    I use the voice function on my Galaxy S3 on a daily basis for search and also sending texts. It works amazingly well!

    But that said, my wife has an S2 and the voice recognition is completely rubbish...
     
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    I already invest heavily in the stock market and I still buy/hold/develop domains...

    ;)

    Firstly - nothing changes overnight.

    Secondly - I have no statistical evidence for this but I can pretty confidently say that AU domain have been increasing in value at at least 30% year on year for the last few years as more businesses try and get their hands on them.

    Thirdly in aggregate my domain/development projects worked out having a price earnings ratio of less than 1 (ie they made all of their upfront cost of domain and development back within 12 months). For the last 2 - 3 years Australian stocks have had a PE ratio of 12 - 15...

    Business online expenditure/investment is continuing to increase because that's were more customers are going.

    So domains as an investment (especially if you are willing to develop) are still head and shoulders better value than stocks.

    That said, they definitely aren't as good value as they were a couple of years ago when I was doing a lot more of my buying (but that's only because the prices have gone up).

    Next thing to consider is that going forward growth is unlikely to be as rapid as it has been in the past, but that's just due to the law of compounding large numbers, ie you can't keep growing at 30% for infinity, and as something gets larger inevitably you have to accept slower growth.

    WITH ALL THAT SAID, I do get you point over a long term horizon, if I was going away to jail today and I had to decide my investment allocations for the next 25 years between domains and stocks. I'd probably put 80% stocks and 20% domains, given that 25 years is a LONG time in the technology arena, and domains may have indeed have become old technology by then, but if they hadn't they would be SUPER valuable given their scarcity.

    If the timeframe switches back to 3 - 5 years then I'm quite confident premium domains will easily outperform stocks as an investment.


    The real danger to domains is businesses not getting a return on investments from websites (ie users get all their needs fulfilled by sites like Google, Amazon, Facebooks, Ebays, etc). If users continue to browse websites and businesses get value out of those users they will continue to invest in the branding and marketing of those sites which will include domains...
     
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    Now where did I read that google has just released voice recognition for ipad and iphone?

    I am not very impressed with Siri

    Say restaurants in perth and it replies "Only us businesses are available at this time."

    I am using google voice to text on the google tablet nexus 7 every day to write emails.

    It is spooky how good the google nexus 7 is. The speed is fantastic and it is really easy to replace words that the system heard incorrectly.

    The latest mountain lion os aint bad for voice on Mac
    Here is an example
    The voice recognition Mac be good

    It interpreted is as "be and left out on a
     
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    There is statistical evidence for this. Repeat sales of domains in an open market:

    Tucked away at the bottom of this page (http://www.netfleet.com.au/domain-sales-graphs) tucked away on NF website

    I'm surprised there hasn't been more discussion of this tbh. Finally hard, irrefutable evidence (even snoopy was lost of words) that .au domain values are booming.
     
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    Could not agree more! I've had a fantastic sales week. :)
     
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    This is a bit like the people on forums who register 100 names, sell one for $200, and then talk about the great return.

    The only reliable way to gauge prices is to sell the same name twice, at the same venue, in the same manner. If you are taking a sample of all the drop names later resold then you are taking mostly good results (successfully resold) and ignoring the bad (not able to resell profitably). That is because of human nature, it is tens times harder mentally to take a loss than a profit and because most domainers find it very hard to sell names at a loss, they'll typically just do nothing with those names & these are the statistics that don't make it to dnjournal.

    If people were simply taking whatever names they owned and re-auctioning them with no reserve (just like the drops) I think the results would be very different. Once a name gets past the drop pool it is in a very flakey market in my view.
     
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    Err i was referring to exactly that situation. This data is precisely that - EVERY name that has been sold twice in the same manner (unreserved auction) at the same venue (snapper auctions).

    So I take it you do agree - au domains have increased by 233% between 2009 and 2011?
     
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    I think auction prices have risen. For the people buying & hoping to resell though I think it is different matter entirely.

    Lets take your example 179 domains, auctioned once in say 2009 for $4404 & $14677 two years later.

    By my calcs for a domainer to try and do that there would be 179 x 50 = $8950 in cor fees + $3580 in renewals + selling commissions. So even if a domainer could buy into the drop market and sell into an efficient selling market (which does not exist for domainers), the result of that data would be a substantial loss. An argument could probably be made the buyers made a logical decision in not renewing because the names are not worth much more than the reg fees & costs to transfer.
     
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    I'm not sure your math proves your point. All it really shows is that low value domains (in this case purchased on average for ~$24.60 each) aren't really worthwhile investments, for even if they appreciate substantially, COR fees, renewals and selling commissions eat up their appreciation. If it had just been one domain bought at $4404 and sold two years later for $14677 that would have been a very tidy profit, even after deducting all expenses.
     
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    i'm not sure why this conversation is in the SEO area ?

    from what i have read you are all right ! , snoopy is right on buying a cheap domain and doing nothing with it is not making money, but you don't have to go spend $4k on a domain to make money but it does help justify all the costs associated with it as you can then put it down to a % of total expense .

    but you can still buy the "worst house in the best street" and renovate and gain good profit.

    snoopy: "Once a name gets past the drop pool it is in a very flakey market in my view." , I think thats a short sighted view, from conversations i had on friday at the meetup i'm not alone in letting domains drop back to the hand reg then go register them.

    Also you are making the assumption that we all know what a good name is ! i dare say there are some great domains drop with no bids but if the right person saw them then they would jump on them.

    tim