HTML5 - Your Opinion

[Webfunk]

Hey guys,

I'm curious what other's think about HTML5 and whether or not it is a commercially viable option now?

At the present, I code my sites using XHTML 1.0 transitional and CSS 2.0. This works fine because it seems to be the most widely accepted. But I'm tempting myself with the idea of moving into HTML5 and CSS3... From what I have read, all the major modern browsers support the majority of the code so it sounds great. My concern is that my target market may not be up-to-date with the latest, and more often than not they will probably be running older versions of IE - something I'm told will be an issue with HTML5.

I also read that you can get around some of the issues with some special JavaScript, but the problem there is that no-doubt some of my clients running older IE browsers will also have JavaScript switched off. Hmmm...

Should I stick with XHTML 1.0/CSS 2.0, or switch to HTML5/CSS3?? Or wait until the estimated 2022 for the official W3C recommendation? (lol)

Cheers

 

[djuqa]

Hey guys,

I'm curious what other's think about HTML5 and whether or not it is a commercially viable option now?

At the present, I code my sites using XHTML 1.0 transitional and CSS 2.0. This works fine because it seems to be the most widely accepted. But I'm tempting myself with the idea of moving into HTML5 and CSS3... From what I have read, all the major modern browsers support the majority of the code so it sounds great. My concern is that my target market may not be up-to-date with the latest, and more often than not they will probably be running older versions of IE - something I'm told will be an issue with HTML5.

I also read that you can get around some of the issues with some special JavaScript, but the problem there is that no-doubt some of my clients running older IE browsers will also have JavaScript switched off. Hmmm...

Should I stick with XHTML 1.0/CSS 2.0, or switch to HTML5/CSS3?? Or wait until the estimated 2022 for the official W3C recommendation? (lol)

Cheers

1/ stick with Xhtml for the meantime
2/ Webfunkdesigns.com.au doesn't validate

 

[sp@rky13]

Best bet is to use standard html and for enhancements only use css3/html5

 

[Webfunk]

2/ Webfunkdesigns.com.au doesn't validate

Apart from an alt tag every now and again, everything else validates just fine for me.

 

[AnthonyP]

A great book (only 85 pages) on the subject is http://www.abookapart.com/products/html5-for-web-designers also read "CSS3 For Web Designers" at the same time. The basic idea is that you use HTML5 and CSS3 for enhancements (older browsers ignore them) but the message is also clear that HTML5/CSS3 is a work in progress and you should not just sit around waiting for the 2022 date.

 

[Webfunk]

A great book (only 85 pages) on the subject is http://www.abookapart.com/products/html5-for-web-designers also read "CSS3 For Web Designers" at the same time. The basic idea is that you use HTML5 and CSS3 for enhancements (older browsers ignore them) but the message is also clear that HTML5/CSS3 is a work in progress and you should not just sit around waiting for the 2022 date.

Thanks for the link Anthony, will take a peak Also in the process of watching many of the tutorials on lynda.com on the subject which are highly enlightening. For example, I wasn't aware that CSS3 has actually been around since around 2000.

 

[djuqa]

Apart from an alt tag every now and again, everything else validates just fine for me.

yes but that is the idea either it validates or it doesn't
Like pregnancy there is no almost or just a little bit.

and I note that you have corrected the 2 tag errors

 

[Webfunk]

yes but that is the idea either it validates or it doesn't
Like pregnancy there is no almost or just a little bit.

and I note that you have corrected the 2 tag errors

Yes I have corrected the minor errors, but the idea that it validates or not is irrelevant really, as long as it works and views correctly. I don't need the w3c validators' thumbs up lol

 

[djuqa]

Yes I have corrected the minor errors, but the idea that it validates or not is irrelevant really, as long as it works and views correctly. I don't need the w3c validators' thumbs up lol

Fair enough,
anyhow 2 errors was good, some well-known sites have heaps

Errors found while checking this document as XHTML 1.0 Transitional!
http://www.abc.net.au/ 19 Errors, 3 warning(s)
http://www.ebay.com/ 488 Errors, 21 warning(s)
http://www.google.com/ 37 Errors, 2 warning(s)
http://www.adobe.com/ 34 Errors, 6 warning(s)
http://www.microsoft.com 163 Errors, 126 warning(s)
and lastly
Errors found while checking this document as HTML5!
http://www.html5rocks.com/en/ 8 Errors, 1 warning(s)

 

[AnthonyP]

Yes I have corrected the minor errors, but the idea that it validates or not is irrelevant really, as long as it works and views correctly. I don't need the w3c validators' thumbs up lol

And thirdly, the code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules. Welcome aboard the Black Pearl, Miss Turner

 

[Webfunk]

Fair enough, but googlebot prefers well formed HTML
anyhow 2 errors was good, some well-known sites have hundreds

Haha yeah! Scary huh...I suppose they just don't care lol. But good point about googlebot, I try to keep it clean and correct as much as possible - thanks for pointing out the errors.

 

[Webfunk]

And thirdly, the code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules. Welcome aboard the Black Pearl, Miss Turner

Sounds like an exact quote from one of the lynda videos I watch ages ago

 

[AnthonyP]

Bumped into an interesting game online last night aimed at web developers, http://type.method.ac/ once the game ends, it takes you to http://method.ac/ "Our first course: design for analytic and logical thinkers. " ... not had time to do the course yet, but I was intrigued after scoring higher than I expected on the kerning game.

 

[segator]

Hey guys,

I'm curious what other's think about HTML5 and whether or not it is a commercially viable option now?

At the present, I code my sites using XHTML 1.0 transitional and CSS 2.0. This works fine because it seems to be the most widely accepted. But I'm tempting myself with the idea of moving into HTML5 and CSS3... From what I have read, all the major modern browsers support the majority of the code so it sounds great. My concern is that my target market may not be up-to-date with the latest, and more often than not they will probably be running older versions of IE - something I'm told will be an issue with HTML5.

I also read that you can get around some of the issues with some special JavaScript, but the problem there is that no-doubt some of my clients running older IE browsers will also have JavaScript switched off. Hmmm...

Should I stick with XHTML 1.0/CSS 2.0, or switch to HTML5/CSS3?? Or wait until the estimated 2022 for the official W3C recommendation? (lol)

Cheers

Feel free to PM myself and I can direct you to my colleague HTML5 specialist.

Cheers!

 

[DavidL]

I sold HTML5.com.au earlier this year for $1,600 - pretty happy with that return from a hand reg
a couple of year ago

However I just checked the whois and perhaps the bidders (who used an agent of course) could have afforded a few bucks more. Ah well

Domain Name html5.com.au
Last Modified 05-Jul-2011 19:08:05 UTC
Registrar ID TPP Internet
Registrar Name TPP Internet
Status ok
Registrant MICROSOFT PTY LTD
Registrant ID ABN 29002589460
Eligibility Type Company
Registrant Contact ID TPP866436-R
Registrant Contact Name Domain Administrator
Registrant Contact Email domains@microsoft.com
Tech Contact ID TPP866437-C
Tech Contact Name Domain Administrator
Tech Contact Email domains@microsoft.com
Name Server ns4.msft.net
Name Server ns2.msft.net
Name Server ns3.msft.net

 

[segator]

David,
HTML5 fantastic creates a rich web experience basically will take over MS Silverlight according to our developers. Our co is near completion of an enterprise project in Silverlight 4 that has taken over 4 years to build!

 

[FirstPageResults]

The basic idea is that you use HTML5 and CSS3 for enhancements (older browsers ignore them) but the message is also clear that HTML5/CSS3 is a work in progress and you should not just sit around waiting for the 2022 date.

+1

Also, there are some good ways to improve the user experience of web apps on mobile devices

 

[Webfunk]

I've concluded that I will research HTML5 further and keep an eye on it, but will continue to add additional functionality through the use of CSS3 (eg. rounded border's, @font-face, gradients etc) - at least these will deprecate well for those browsers who don't support them.