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grabbing someones database list

Discussion in 'Resources & Success Stories' started by findtim, Feb 19, 2013.

  1. findtim

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    i hope this is the right section for this.

    i have found a guy " somewhere in the world" ? that can "scrap" a database and provide you with what you want in an excell doc, most likely and type of file you want !

    so i tested him and asked him to gather 1000 listings from 1 of my websites, well the bugger did it ! and it cost me $80 !!!!

    he got me an excel doc that has:

    business name, addresss, city, state, zip, phone

    i didn't give him any passwords he just took it, i gave him specific criteria as i only wanted 1 certain type of service and not the others

    so 8 cents a "lead" , can anyone tell me if i got ripped off or i got a bargain please as my research on australian businesses that sell this service is much higher

    also if you want his contact details i am happy to give them to you via PM. it was an elance job

    tim
     
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    Shoot me his details. Could be very useful and sounds pretty cheap. I've looked around for similar in the past.
     
  3. findtim

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    PS; he wasn't able to get email addresses so he is working on how to grab them.

    tim
     
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    Sounds interesting... but being able to grab email addresses would be REALLY valuable.
     
  6. findtim

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    +website of course.

    i've got 6 clients wanting this right now and this guy knows that so i just tried him out on 1000 , he can see the benefits when i start giving him jobs to scrap 10K names

    i've PM'd you his details, if we all give him some test business it could be great for all of us.

    i pay via elance dotcom which has an escrow system, GREAT service

    "signup free, create a job, get quotes, pay elance, then when you are happy pay the programmer"

    tim
     
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    *scrape

    Probably can't get the email addresses as they aren't crawlable, but $80 sounds very reasonable for a custom scraper.
     
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    So what sort of sites are often worth scraping for traditional businesses?
     
  10. findtim

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    "traditional business" is a wideeee term.

    the easy answer is " your competitors website " !!!!!!!!

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    but also:

    eg: ( made up BS ) say i have a client that sells widgets to dentists, we could grab all the contact details of dentists from YP, or TrueL, or HotF etc and then target them to sell widgets.

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    a localised business that sells "bolts" could gather info from the local CO-OP directory of farmers

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    but gathering the data from say YP you could tune in to every "plumber" in sydney if you owned the obvious domain emd

    for a few bucks to get 300 contacts it could be good from a domain seller point of view.

    tim
     
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    Web Scraping Software

    I bought this type of software about 4 years ago and was amazed out how quick I built databases (email included) that could be easily filtered in Excel

    The 1st and last time I used it was just before I studied the Spam Act in a little detail

    I panicked on the basis of the potential fines if I had been caught using it

    I use it today for phone lead generation; but even then the numbers should be filtered through the DNC register

    Greg
     
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    Is it a bit of a grey area... equivalent to stealing trade secrets?
     
  15. findtim

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    filtering DNC: good advice acheeva, thanks

    i thought the spam act was covered ONCE you put an unsubscribe link at the bottom of an email ? "opt in" & " double opt in " systems do not apply once a business places its email address online i thought.

    stealing: i disagree, the data is listed on a website so its public knowledge, being quick at gathering it is just good news.

    tim
     
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    Nothing worse than getting an email with an unsubscribe link in it that I never subscribed to.
     
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    Tim, I looked into this once in a previous role and found out the following.

    "The supply or use of address harvesting software or harvested email addresses for the purpose of sending spam is prohibited."
    ACMA - Address harvesting & cold calling are prohibited

    As far as your comment about email addresses found online it does seem that you can infer consent.
    ACMA - Gaining legitimate consent

    " In certain circumstances, consent to receive a commercial electronic message may be inferred if a person has published their work-related email address or mobile telephone number and:

    * it is accessible to the public or a section of the public (for example, it appears on a website, telephone directory or brochure)
    * it is not accompanied by a statement that commercial messages are not wanted
    * there is a strong link between what you are promoting and the person's role. You cannot infer someone's consent just because you believe your product or service will benefit them.
    "

    So keep away from scraping software, and make sure you get the email address manually and look for the statements about unwanted commercial messages then you might be alright.
     
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    Summed it up nicely Anthony P
     
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    There are plenty of legitimate uses for scraping software. Eg I used this particular guy to pull out a bunch of twitter users in a particular niche. Then I used tweetadder to follow them all hoping that X% will follow me back. It worked!
     
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    firstly, thankyou for the info AnthonyP, i said that because i wanted to separate you from my post reply,

    the above spam act is weak, all i have to do is say " i went onto HOTf and i have now phoned you " there surely is no legal comeback from that?

    all i have to do is say " i got your email from your website" !

    all i have to say is your info is in the yellow pages book i'm reading, OR the yellowpages listing you have online.

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    having said all that, and read the info, basically they do not want it automated and i TOTALLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY agree as i am the biggest spam hater anyone will ever come across.

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    so to clarify, and i now see i didn't explain this better , ....... i want the data to then see the potential clients and then pick the ones i want to approach, i do not do " machine gun tactics" , i am highly focused on the best potential client.I do not want to spam, i want to TARGET.

    i can get this info by opening up a YP book, why should the internet be different ?? let alone illegal, just BS policy makers and lawyers making money to create rules.

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    When someone from the government said in 2003 " we need a spam act" that was a good decision ! but i still get spam form australian businesses EVERYDAY?

    then one guy in the gov office went home that day and said " honey... you know that holiday house in byron bay you always wanted ! well we just got it"

    tim