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1st July 2018 FREE .AU COR ( Change Of Registrant), 1- 5 year Registrations go live

Discussion in 'Domain News' started by DomainNames, Apr 24, 2018.

  1. DomainNames

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    Will auDA be making the required changes so the FREE COR can go live 1st of July 2018 when the new 1 - 5 year Domain Name Registration period options begin with Afilias?

    It is time the .au paid COR $$ Rip Off ended.
     
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    I don't know
     
  3. DomainNames

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    Any accountability and transparency from auDA, the auDA PRP and the auDA Board on this FREE COR for 1st July 2018?

    Will they be doing it or not?
    Why not?
     
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    They will not be doing free CoR but they will be doing 1-5 year.

    Free CoR is far away from being a thing.
    1) It would need to be raised for discussion by a policy panel (It gets a brief mention each time).
    2) If the panel agrees in majority then it would go forward as a recommendation (it has never been recommended).
    3) The board would then need to accept the recommendation.
    4) The Registry would need to implement the recommendation in consultation with the Registrars at a suitable date.

    1-5 year rego was put forward as a majority recommendation twice and accepted by the board twice over a ten year period but was then delayed by Registry contracts. It is now finally only 3 weeks away, after being widely accepted as a good idea for almost a decade.

    Free CoR is pretty much raised during panels and then everyone agrees to leave it as is.

    - Anthony
     
  5. DomainNames

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    Hi Anthony who has told you this at auDA or the PRP?

    So people register for 5 years and then sell the name or change owners after 1 year and lose 4 years worth of the cost with a new auDA red tape COR fee?

    How is this looking after Consumers and not auDA, Afilias and the Registrar profiteering from costly red tape that other domain name extensions do not have ?

    Are you against FREE COR for your own commercial profits as a drop catcher?

    The Philippines even has FREE COR and they do a manual process at the admin body!

    auDA has no excuses not to do this.

    Government stated auDA must stop it's profiteering! This is a very simply start.
     
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    "free Cor is a great idea, it will save us and our clients a lot of money. We buy domains for our clients when we build their sites a lot of them time."
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    "COR's are a pain in the ass for us, we need to train staff, need to answer about a billion questions/complaints from Registrants, we either need to allocate resources to a manual process, or invest development time to build automated systems. Even with an automated process some registrants still want to use a manual process as they don't have or don't want to use a credit card.

    There are very few COR's on a monthly basis, the ones we do would represent about 0.000001% of our monthly gross revenue.

    So I'd **much** rather we just went in line with gTLD's where users can update their own Registrant contact. We provide the interface and that's the end of our involvement. I can't imagine there is a Registrar out there thinking they are going to make money out of COR's. Generally a high cost of COR isn't reflective of a cash grab but a deterrent to actually having to do the bloody things."
    Brett Fenton Melbourne IT Group
     
  7. Drop.com.au

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    I did not ask anyone. PRP is not relevant to the 1 July 2018 pricing. Recommendations from the PRP will only be presented to the board in Q4 2018. I was on the 2015 Name Panel and I know from memory that there was no recommendation to change it. I remember is came up and was discussed for about a minute before being dismissed as not important (which is code for "too hard"). Since that was the last panel to run to completion and make formal recommendations for the board to consider I can pretty much guarantee that free CoR has not been presented to the board for formal consideration yet.

    In the interests of science I went to the effort of testing it for you on the OTE system Afilias has provided us. My Registry balance was higher before the 1 year CoR so I can guarantee you that CoRs will cost money in 3 weeks time. Also the expiry date for the domain after the CoR was 1 year away from today so I can also confirm that you also lose your registration period.

    Yes people still lose their registration period, this is not a new cost, it is however a bigger cost.
    I agree it is not looking after Portfolio Holders, general consumers are not affected as they hardly ever sell domain names.
    I/We are not against free CORs.
    We have lead the way in reducing CoR costs for consumers by making the process as easy as possible, ask around, Drop invented paperless CoR and we also made the price close to the cost of a renewal as possible years before anyone else did.

    There is however a process to follow to change policy, and that process requires it to be discussed by an advisory panel before being presented to the board for consideration. Long before being implemented by a Registry. It is a long slow process so try to get it on the PRPs radar so they can present it for consideration at the end of this year.

    There is no profit in CoRs as there are so few done per year, I don't think this can be seen as a revenue stream by auDA or registrars, even drop catchers don't rely on this as a form of income.

    - Anthony
     
  8. DomainNames

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    Everyone would be better off coming up with easily actionable fast solutions and supporting actions for auDA process improvement & reduction of unneeded red tape instead of making excuses for auDA, their years of bad red tape policy and un competitive aspects of the COR process compared to other extensions.

    auDA already has the paperwork and recommendation from the PRP process. The delay seemingly is again with the auDA Board.

    A very simple housekeeping but it requires clarity and a start date announced for everyone.

    It doesn't matter how many .au domain name consumers are being detrimentally affected by it some anyone saying it is just a small amount of Consumers is not meeting the auDA Constitution or Governments directions to not hurt .au consumers or profiteer.

    If anyone is detrimentally affected by it and especially now with the upcoming 1- 5 year periods it needs to be fixed.

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    https://www.domainer.com.au/free-cor-from-july-1/
    "The PRP (Policy Review Panel) in their Interim Report has made the following statement regarding Change of Registrant.

    “The Panel has considered whether the transferee of an existing domain name licence should retain the rights to the remainder of the licence period.

    This does not appear to be a controversial issue.

    The Panel considers that any pre-payment of the registration fee should go to the benefit of the transferee, provided that the proposed transferee meets the relevant eligibility and allocation requirements prior to the transfer. This approach is consistent with international practice and ensures that only one fee is paid for the duration of the licence period. Registrars are compensated for any potential costs by payment of a transfer fee.

    The Panel will recommend that a process be created which allows a domain name transferee to receive the benefit of any remaining licence period.”


    Basically this means that a new licence would no longer have to be issued, so no longer a licence fee and thus potentially free COR. If a Registrar or Reseller wishes to charge for providing it’s service is up to them and comes down to a competitive marketplace."

    https://www.auda.org.au/about-auda/our-org/constitution/
    "3.2 Activities
    Without reducing the effect of clause 4, auDA will see to achieve its principal purposes as set out in clause 3.1 through:

    a. ensuring the continued operational stability of the domain name system in Australia;
    b. establishing mechanisms to ensure it is responsive and accountable to the supply and demand sides of the Australian Internet Community;
    c. the promotion of competition in the provision of domain name services;
    d. the promotion of fair trading;
    e. the promotion of consumer protection;
    f. adopting open and transparent procedures which are inclusive of all parties having an interest in use of the domain name system in Australia;
    g. ensuring its operations produce timely outputs which are relevant to the needs of the Australian Internet Community.
    (Amended by Special Resolution, 14 August 2006)"​
     
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  9. Drop.com.au

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    As far as I can tell (and I wish I was wrong) the board does not have a formal recommendation yet. You are quoting an interim report. The key word being "interim" that says they plan to offer a recommendation to go in a certain direction in their official report which is only due after 1 July 2018.

    I don't want to defend auDA if I don't have to as they have quite frankly let us all down on taking so long to implement 1 - 5 year rego but by attacking them on an issue which has not yet formally been presented to the board for consideration I feel you are asking for something they can reasonably reject.

    - Anthony
     
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    We asked this question last week and basically got the answer Anthony is giving you here. CoR will be charged at the rate of renewal for the period you wish to enter (ie. 1 to 5 years).

    They (Afilias) have told us that the COR process will not and can not be changed until auDA policy is changed with it. That won't happen before July 1 and may take months even years for it to be considered.

    Angelo will be raising this at the next registrar briefing.
     
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    auDA Member:
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    im surprised its not on the PRP agenda;

    Consider this, auDA CoR policy states;

    subject to the terms and conditions on which the current registrant held the domain name licence at the time of transfer.

    Do you guys think this is a concern: mid-flight changes to the eligibility and allocation policy of a domain licence, and how it could affect the CoR process?

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    Especially when…the policy for eligibility and allocation of a domain name could be “changed during the licence period” leaving the previous owner in non-compliance or, in a grace period for compliance whilst at the same time the new owner is fully compliant under that new eligibility and allocation policy.

    Is the new owner [transferee] required to wait until auDA is satisfied that the previous owner [transferor] complied; possibly resulting in the abandonment of the transfer due to its complexity.

    any ideas on how that may play out should auDA accept the PRP recommendation if its in the final report to the Board.
     
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    Thanks for asking at least. The lack of proper answer and actioning from auDA and Afilias however is not good enough.

    They can make all the excuses they like it is auDA's job to get things like this done quickly ( Timely outputs
    ... etc)

    All the more reason for auDA to be replaced with new Management and a new Board.

    www.Grumpier.com.au
    Then another SGM for a complete Board Spill if they don't get the message!

    The constant red tape, non competitive policy and rip off of au consumers is not taken seriously for them to fix. They will be in breach of the auDA Constitution and government suggestions even more ( stop the profiteering, address Consumer complaints etc).

    With people wanting to pay up to 5 years this rip off will be even greater and will hurt people paying for longer periods.. The result is people will not pay in advance for long periods.. No benefit for auDA, No Benefit for Afilias.. No benefit for Registrars or .au domain name registrant consumers..
     
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    Good to see an auDA Board member and Domain Name Lawyer Erhan Karabardak see's merit in the FREE COR and importance of free remaining license period transfer needing to be done by auDA Management sooner rather later.

    At least a few people remain knowledgeable about .au domain names, global standards and policy red tape mistakes auDA needs to fix on the auDA Board / auDA Management.

    What is the hold up with current auDA Management to get this fixed now?

    https://dnj.com.au/1-to-5-year-domain-name-registrations-whats-your-choice/
    "Variable registration terms also give impetus to the argument that change of registrants / COR for should allow the new registrant to receive the remainder of the unexpired term, particularly where registrants elect to choose 5 year registrations."​
     
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    Is that Angelo the demand side member or supply side member?
     
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    Both. Makes him even more qualified.
     
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    Is that why you signed your employees up en masse as auDA demand members?
     
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    Cheyne as a proud Australian, you must be happy about the new foreign auDA demand members joining in time to vote at the AGM?

    Do you think Angelo has a chance at being voted in?
     
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    auDA will not exist in its current form or with current management by the time of the AGM.

    The stacking by auDA Management and Supply has been noted by many sides of Government as being 100% not what they ever wanted nor did they at any time tell auDA Management to do it this way. If anyone tells you differently they are lying.

    Those Supply parties who paid current auDA Management money to rush join up before the SGM ( but missed the sgm cut off now and need to wait until the AGM) have pi$$ed away their money.

    There is NO way the government will be allowing any Supply related person to be an auDA Demand class director. This is the fact. The Government knows who the Supply Directors are and they know now whats going on in more detail.

    Putting a spotlight on themselves for Government as Supply Class mixed up in this stacking of the demand class was not as smart a move as they may have thought.

    auDA and those Supply parties who did this stacking have in fact now caused the demise of auDA by now forcing the Government to prepare an EOI which is NOW underway.

    Are you proud of yourselves? You have ended auDA not helped to reform or save it as you had claimed.

    Government now see's the current auDA Management and some Supply parties will never change and it is subject to capture and stacking with added serious risk to Australian Critical Infrastructure and risk to the Government also from lawsuits.
     
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