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moving my names out and why

Discussion in 'VentraIP.com.au' started by DomainNames, Oct 19, 2017.

  1. DomainNames

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    Good to read the position changes of Ventraip.. You said in a forum statement you will pass on any decrease in the wholesale.au price which is great. But then I read this today by Angelo so it is good to have your position in black and white.
    http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2672195#r54813458

    "User #294894 2183 posts
    Angelo Giuffrida
    VentraIP Australia

    Service Provider
    reference: whrl.pl/Re06hM
    posted 2017-Oct-19, 12:15 pm AEST

    So what side are the people commenting in this thread in? I don't see a single comment from anyone happy about this proposal aside from you.

    This thread has had a grand total of six different people make comments, most of whom are simply questioning the mechanism not the merits.

    The threads on DNTrade have the same four or five people commenting.

    I'm sorry, but this is a non-issue for 'everyday Australians'. At worst they will need to spend less than $100 every two years to buy another domain name if they even want it. That's the extent of it.

    Your interest in this is purely to prevent auDA, the registry operator, and registrars from making money. The proof is in the pudding when reading your current DNTrade signature which says "Have your say on the .AU Cash Grab!". And I'm not saying you're wrong, perhaps it is a money grab by those concerned, but what I take issue with is people pretending to be some sort of ambassador for the "everyday Australian" when it's simply a case of not being in a position to profit.

    Everyday Australians do not want this proposal in my view.

    This statement sounds like it came from the desk of a politician, and we all know how much they genuinely care about the 'everyday Australian'.

    Cheers,
    Angelo"


    Maybe you need to open your mind to the existing .au registrants valid opinions and the fact most have not been informed properly by auDA or the auDA Board
    Expect my call today to move all of my .au Ventraip business to someone else... it is small with you but as a long time customer I am disappointed you clearly do not want to listen to .au registrant consumers concerns and yes there will be more than 5 or 6 people complaining now!
     
  2. DomainNames

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    Left a message for Angelo at the Ventraip office. My domain transfers are now underway to another company.

    Sorry to say goodbye but Angelo's public comments on Whirlpool appear to not care about what .au registrant consumers are saying and this is not what I expect from someone I pay money to.

    Good motivation to move anyway as it's cheaper to register and renew the .au names with others now anyway instead of VentraIP so thanks Angelo for the motivation :)
     
  3. snoopy

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    I did treasure this moment of truth from Angelo,

    "perhaps it is a money grab by those concerned"
     
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  4. DomainNames

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    How about this one?
    "At worst they will need to spend less than $100 every two years to buy another domain name if they even want it. That's the extent of it." Angelo Giuffrida VentraIP Australia Service Provider
     
  5. snoopy

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    I'll treasure that moment as well.
     
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  6. DomainNames

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    all names moved now.
     
  7. Andrew Wright

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    auDA Member:
    Yes
    Where did you go?
     
  8. Cheyne

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    Hi DomainNames,

    I'm very confused as to why you've quoted Angelo's Whirlpool forum post here? If you think he is somehow going to be ashamed of what he has said then you are sadly mistaken.

    If you have chosen to move your domain names away from us to another registrar simply because you do not agree with our position on direct registrations, which as he explained is encumbered upon us regardless of what our personal positions may be, then you are simply cutting off your nose to spite your face.

    Allow me to paint a picture for you.

    Of the top 5 .au registrar groups, the top 3 being MelbourneIT Group (which includes NetRegistry, TPP Wholesale and UberGlobal), Crazy Domains and GoDaddy, are all publicly listed and hold more than 72% of the existing .au market share. They all want a return for their shareholders which means by default they all want direct registrations to happen. Nothing you or I do or say will change this fact.

    So even if we were to take the noble stand of being against direct registration, as the number 4 with single-digit market share and no representation on the board, it makes absolutely no difference to the overall outcome. But then when it does happen and we offer them to our customers (because we would have to in order to remain competitive) we look like complete hypocrites when we take peoples money for something we campaigned against.

    Take note: We are not like those companies. We do not have hundred-of-millions-of-dollars behind us. We do not have teams of people who can run mass-scale marketing campaigns across multiple media platforms. We do not have the capital to even consider acquiring any of those above us.

    But on the flip side they all have the ability to buy us out, and if they did, the number 4 becomes Tucows, another non-Australian publicly listed company, and after that is Enetica which is about to be sold (most likely overseas) as well.

    It's a very grim picture which is why I believe that this market needs us. We have remained fiercely independent in the face of some staggering offers which may ultimately come back to bite us on the ass and I assure you is worth more to us than any proceeds from direct registrations will ever generate.

    As Angelo has already stated and which I also personally agree with, our issue with direct registration and more so the .au namespace in general is the fact that more than 90% of the revenue generated from .au domain name sales goes to overseas interests. The sale of AusRegistry to Neustar should never have been allowed because instantly 75% of the .au domain name fee went overseas. The top 3 registrar groups all outsource the bulk of their operations and many have other overseas interests. But the damage has been done and it is largely irreparable.

    On the other hand, we are a massive advocate of keeping everything in Australia and we employ 38 local team members who provide all of our customers with 24/7 local support. We give them the best working conditions in the industry with an on-site gym, cafe/bar, games area, theatre, and laundry on top of many other perks which are all provided completely free of charge. We keep our money here. We pay tax here. And we are exceptionally proud of what we do and how we do it.

    I hope that you reconsider your views and choose to support us regardless of whether or not we agree on this issue.

    Kind regards,

    Cheyne Jonstone
    Executive Chairman
    VentraIP Australia - Synergy Wholesale - Zuver Hosting & Domains
     
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  9. DomainNames

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    Before you posted you should have spoken to Angelo as I did. This post is now linked to this one with answers provided.
    https://www.dntrade.com.au/threads/aliababa-5-99-com.11642/#post-89094

    I believe I was right in saying Angelo expressed to me on the phone his concerns with foreign competition and foreign ownership plus the amount of money going to auDA and Golden Gate Capital USA ( Neustar and Ausregistry) and what was left for you... no use complaining to us!

    Your fight if may I suggest is not with your paying customers such as myself ( with over $20,000 AUD still in credit with another of your associated companies) but with who is making the bulk of the money from wholesale .au registration pricing. That is Icann, auDA, auDA Foundation and Golden Gate Capital USA etc. If you have a problem with Crazy Domains, Godaddy, Uniregistry stand up to them and tell them... at the auDA AGM or wherever you choose including on Whirlpool.

    I asked Angelo if it was true he may stand for the auDA Board and he advised me he will decide this week.
     
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