I havent seen this before...

[goldnugget]

This isnt mine..doing some checks on various domains/sites and this one caught my attention for all the wrong reasons http://businessnet.com.au/ .

Headings upsidedown and back to front and probably every page...or am I the only one seeing this?

 

[helloworld]

Are you using your neighbors router and they have found out?

Site looks fine

 

[goldnugget]

How do I put in an image into the thread?

As I look at it, the red writing is upside down, as are 'case study' headings and 'contact us for more information'...all upside down.

I've screen printed it and saved it to my desktop as a gif.

Using IE...will check with firefox........Ok, thats wierd Firfox shows fine, latest IE the writing is upside down as I have them both up for comparison.

 

[findtim]

i just use http://www.screencast.com/ now on dnt.

then you just put the link into the post.

tim

 

[goldnugget]

Thanks Tim, I just remembered I have a photobucket account so here goes, this is what I see in IE9 running win7pro, but firefox is fine:

 

[johno69]

I see same in IE.

 

[findtim]

thats weird, my firefox is fine, my IE 9 is flipped. it will be a CSS issue but can't tell you what it is sorry.

tim

 

[goldnugget]

I think I found it.

I went looking through the code on the page and googled "typeface.js upside down"...apparently its an ie9 beta flaw orginally with the text "typeface-js" back in 2010/11 that should have been fixed, but for what ever reason either hasnt been done or a later update has reverted back to the bug.

Something for developers to keep in mind I think...check your site on multiple browsers.

Cheers, thanks for the replies.

Jay

 

[findtim]

http://typeface.neocracy.org/

<h2 class="typeface-js">CASE STUDIE</h2>

the class is your problem i think.

sometimes you need an IE9 override CSS, just remember that the lowest ( furtherest down) command in the css rules

----------------------

.txtUpsideDown
{
filter: progidXImageTransform.Microsoft.BasicImage(rotation=2); /* IE6,IE7 */
ms-filter: "progidXImageTransform.Microsoft.BasicImage(rotation=2)"; /* IE8 */
-moz-transform: rotate(-180deg); /* FF3.5+ */
-o-transform: rotate(-180deg); /* Opera 10.5 */
-webkit-transform: rotate(-180deg); /* Safari 3.1+, Chrome */
position: absolute;
}

-----------------------------------

it would appear your javascript is out of date
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/giorgio/archive/2011/01/20/typeface-upside-down-text-in-ie9.aspx

http://typeface.neocracy.org/download.html

tim

 

[findtim]

Something for developers to keep in mind I think...check your site on multiple browsers.

yes check your browsers but also for new developers remember browsers are FREE, so don't waste time trying to make a website look correct on IE6, IE7, IE8 and old firefox , all you need do is tell your client to update then ring you back.

microsoft no longer supports IE8 and XP so why should I !

tim

 

[goldnugget]

So does that mean that whoever developed that site used an out of date code/method for older browser versions or should we update something at our end?

I only know little at the moment about web coding which is why I ask.

In this particular case I'm not phased, it isnt mine and havent seen it before but thought I'd raise it here to get some idea why it displayed that way.

As far as testing in other browsers...sure thing about older versions, I guess I meant more in relation to testing it in diferent browsers altogether eg ie, ff and the apple equivelent if you have access to it.

Cheers

 

[johno69]

microsoft no longer supports IE8 and XP so why should I !

Because a lot of end users still use it. That should be reason enough.

eg ie, ff and the apple equivelent if you have access to it.

Safari is again available for PC. http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1531

So does that mean that whoever developed that site used an out of date code/method for older browser versions or should we update something at our end?

The developer should fix it. It's upside down (or downside up if your glass is half empty) in the latest IE.

 

[goldnugget]

Cool, thanks. Was just curious if others saw the same thing and that it wasnt an issue with my system/browser.

 

[findtim]

The developer should fix it. It's upside down (or downside up if your glass is half empty) in the latest IE.

i have a printer here that doesn't work with windows 7, i have software that doesn't work on vista, can i get my money back? NO

i now put clauses in my quotes, simply " i am programming for TODAY, what happens tommorrow you will need to pay me for" type words

its "shop window cleaner theory" , you pay someone to clean your shop window, it gets dirty you need to pay him again.

as for IE8, fine, but i'm not going to spend hours of time tweeking the css for that % of people and my clients don't want to pay for it either in my experience, personally i find IE8 with XP VERYYYYY stable as i have it on 2 of my laptops but i only test on current browsers.

tim

 

[johno69]

I never said the developer shouldn't get paid to fix it. He shouldn't have screwed up in the first place though. Probably never tested in IE.

It's your choice how big a market you choose to exclude, and whatever deal you make with your clients.

I was simply answering your question re IE8.

You simply need to check the stats for your market. Here are some stats for one of my sites in regards to browser use in the last 30 days:

http://screencast.com/t/50TI56mZp

Then IE broken down by version:

http://screencast.com/t/OnWGDniLfHk

According to that I had 379 visitors using IE8 in the last 30 days. Not something I would consider ignoring.

 

[goldnugget]

Its got a 2010 copyright notice on it so I'm assuming that at the time it may not have been an issue.

I used their contact form to let them know out of courtesy (since it was used in the discussion here) that there was an issue with the site.

By the nature of the business it may have been done 'inhouse' or a contracted developer, either way they will be aware of it when they check their emails and have been directed to this thread (rather than me trying to repeat our findings).

Maybe they will see the value of contracting someone knowledgable here to fix it for them if they need to.

 

[Data Glasses]

I think it has been done purposely to keep you on the site for longer ??

 

[Blue Wren]

microsoft no longer supports IE8 and XP so why should I !

tim

This statement is incorrect.

Microsoft do still support both IE8 -(no stated expiry date), and Windows XP - (08/04/2014).