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Calculator.com.au

Discussion in 'General Domain Discussion' started by geodomains, Oct 3, 2010.

  1. geodomains

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    Big domain dropping tomorrow, I would hate to guess what it will go for $15,000 +

    Don
     
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    Make that domains (plural) Don. Both Calculator.com.au and Calculators.com.au are dropping on Monday.

    Calculator.com.au is already at $3000 and Calculators.com.au is not that far behind it at $2500. It will be really interesting to see where these end up.

    Cheers

    Andrew
     
  3. James

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    interesting, who lets these type of domains drop?
     
  4. Vicstar

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    Hold on! Make that Calculator.com.au at $5001 and Calculators.com.au at $4999 .. and that adds up to Hmmmm, um......

    Hey Andrew :) I have a Q for you re tomorrow's drop time and daylight savings...

    In Melbourne @ 1PM today (Sun 3/10) Netfleet had just closed, but Drop told me 59 mins remaining .. dropping at 2PM!! Currently at Midnight, Drop tells me 14 hours remaining :eek: Will both places ever drop again at the same time? - or do I just need to avoid making BOTH 1pm AND 2pm appointments/meetings from now on ;) (or at least until April next year!)
     
  5. ant

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    The Registry drops domains at 3AM UTC which means that during daylight saving you need to be online at 2PM during summer time and 1PM for the rest. Pretty sure Netfleet will update their system soon to close closer to 2PM. Today they did not seem to run since cavern.com.au is still not registered and it was on their list.
     
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  6. Vicstar

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    Thanks ant. Thought it was my lucky day after I refreshed Netfl♥♥t & slapped myself on the forehead realising it was 13:01, only to discover drop was still alive :p
     
  7. ant

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    Just in case this was not a rhetorical question, according to the owners website "HOT Products distributes the following products in Australia: ... Texas Instruments Calculators (Australia’s leading brand of calculators)..."

    So they import and sell leading brands of calculators, and using drop's "site snapshot tool" I can see it was redirecting traffic to http://blueswimmer.com/ which is an online store selling their calculators.

    From this I can assume they also own blueswimmer.com.au (whois confirms)

    Checking ASIC I find that they actually changed their company name from blue swimmer to CALCULATORS PTY LTD in 2008.

    So they really seem to like the name and would surely want to renew it...

    So I checked the whois via http://www.mywebname.com.au/ and found the email address of the Registrant was <removed>@blueswimmer.com.au

    Then I checked the MX records for blueswimmer.com.au and found that they where missing!

    So basically the renewal reminders are sent to a non-reachable mail account and they are probably not aware that it has expired yet.

    Most likely in the course of the last few years they moved nameservers and somebody forgot to add the MX records for a seldom used domain (the .com.au of the primary .com) so as a result they loose two of the companies more valuable assets.

    So there are a few lessons to be learned.

    1) Keep your contact details up to date.
    2) If possible actively use your email attached to your great domain names so that when they expire you will notice the lack of emails.
    3) Keep you own notice of expiry dates.
    4) Remember rule number one...
     
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  8. highnfar

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    And... today is a public holiday.
     
  9. Chris.C

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    I'll be very surprised if it gets $15,000. I'm expecting something closer to $8,000 - $12,000.
     
  10. Timmy

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    Ouch!
     
  11. Simon Johnson

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    Given that CALCULATORS PTY LTD is a registered company, its too much of a risk (of losing the domain). Crazy.
     
  12. Rob Johnson

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    Hi guys, new here and just wanted to ask if anybody knows if because they registered a company "CALCULATORS PTY LTD", would they have any claim over the name to try and get it back from whoever wins the auctions?

    Rob
     
  13. Timmy

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    This raises a few flags for me.

    Firstly, any domain purchased for monetization must adhere to this policy;

    http://www.auda.org.au/policies/auda-2008-10/

    Paragraph 4.3(b) of the policy states that the domain name "must not" be or incorporate an entity name, personal name or brand name in existence at the time the domain name was registered.

    So with that said, and with the company Calculators Pty Ltd being regged for a long time and with an expired name becoming a 'new registration' - this domain is pretty much untouchable and your almost certain to lose your doe.

    Without seeming like I'm attacking any drop services - is it irresponsible for an auction format to make $10k+ for 2 names that a purchaser is likely to be stripped of?

    Will it end up in a circle jerk of dropped, caught, PD, dropped, caught, PD...? Nice days to own a drop platform if it is indeed the case :p

    Even though ignorance is no excuse and everyone needs to adhere to policy which are publicly available - is a disclaimer of 'buyer beware' and 'do your own research' really a good enough warning to punters?

    Perhaps I am missing something here? Maybe someone from auDA can give us an informed opinion - Drop, Netfleet maybe?

    Cheers,
    Tim.
     
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  14. domainlover

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    I believe that they would need to have a trademark and that having a company name in itself does not give you any intellectual property rights especially since they would never be able to get a trademark for the terms calculator and calculators.
     
  15. Timmy

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    Well my point is that Company Name = Entity Name as per policy.
     
  16. FirstPageResults

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    I don't see how that's for DROP or NF to decide. Technically it's no different to hand registering the name.

    It's an open market, if you're going to be investing the money the onus is on you to weigh up the risks IMO.
     
  17. soj

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    Does this mean that they are ONLY entitled to Calculators.com.au and not the Calculator.com.au domain name because of their Entity Name?
     
  18. DnEbook

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  19. Vicstar

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    Hey Tim, I totally agree with your Flag raising -but I just read further in the policy and it mentioned this.... (keeping in mind there's many other business & company names with this generic name in their branding):

    4.6 The condition in paragraph 4.3b) is intended to ensure that domain monetisation is not used as a cover for cybersquatting or other misleading or fraudulent activity. In determining whether a domainer is in breach of paragraph 4.3b), auDA will take into account whether the domain name is a generic word or may have an alternative meaning which is not related to a specific entity, person or brand.
     
  20. domainlover

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    i agree,that is the point i was making earlier, these are generic words that no one could trademark so just having a company name would not be a strong enough case.