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50% off .com.au .net.au renewals 1st May - 30 June Ausregistry / auDA promotion

Discussion in 'Domain News' started by DomainNames, May 4, 2018.

  1. DomainNames

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    Will Registrars pass on the 50% off .au wholesale price discount promotion from Ausregistry/ auDA?

    .au Domain Name Registrant Consumers need to see this promotion benefit.

    We do not want to see any form of 'Cartel" price fixing of Registrars not passing it on to .au domain name Registrant Consumers.

    https://www.smh.com.au/business/sma...n-name-owners-ripped-off-20170807-gxqpzs.html
    https://www.channelnews.com.au/australians-said-to-have-been-ripped-off-on-domain-names-since-2008/

    https://www.dntrade.com.au/threads/new-lower-au-wholesale-pricing-is-happening.11716/
    auDA Board Public Minutes - 9 August, 2004
    "The board also considered correspondence from Theo Hranakis, Melbourne IT and
    an accompanying statement signed by 7 other registrars
    , in relation to auDA's
    media release of 17 June 2004 entitled "auDA reduces its fee for .au domain
    names". Registrars expressed concerns about the statement
    "If consumers find that
    their registrar has not passed on auDA's cost saving, they may wish to shop
    around to find another registrar who will".
    https://www.communications.gov.au/file/29296/download?token=yYBjVzcD
    "S Johnson raised a question regarding competition law and the possible perception of a cartel"


    "The CEO and other staff are fully accountable to the Board, who are in turn accountable to the Australian Internet community."

    " .au Domain Administration Limited (auDA) is an incorporated membership based non- profit organisation with representation from supply and demand sectors of the Australian Internet community. The organisation was established in April 1999 as a result of the efforts of a NOIE sponsored working group, with a view to managing the .au country code Top Level Domain (ccTLD)."

    " Because of the diverse arrangements, auDA has determined that funding pre- competition will be via a fixed licence fee model. This licence fee will be determined by a number of factors including: • the number of domains that are registered; • whether the registrar charges a fee for registration services; • if the domain is "commercial'' or "community of interest'';
     
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  2. chris

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    @DomainNames - have merged these posts into one, no need for separate posts.
     
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  3. snoopy

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    Will be interesting to see if it is passed on, have doubts. Probably not well structured by auDA.
     
  4. DomainNames

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    I've had it confirmed 1 Registrar is up and running with the renewal discount promotion and it is live with them.
     
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    Cheers, so they are passing through the full discount?

    Wonder why auDA has not said anything about the discount? Surely this is something they should be telling members about?
     
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    Which Registrar?
     
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    Apparently auDA is furious that the public now knows about this promotion.

    Who leaked the “secret information”? What else is auDA not disclosing in regards to registrar pricing discounts/rebates?
     
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  8. DomainNames

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    Ask your Registrar if they are "participating" or not and if they will be passing on the discount to you or keeping it for themselves.

    It seems very strange that this .au renewal discount promotion is being kept a "secret".. Why? This will be raised at the www.Grumpier.com.au SGM in detail.

    Surely .au domain name Consumers with renewals deserve to know about it?
     
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  9. DomainNames

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  10. Drop.com.au

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    Hi All,
    Drop.com.au did not sign up for this promotion.

    We made a decision not to signup for this promotion as in our opinion it has two main issues.

    Firstly it is focused on a very narrow band of renewals, those in the 60 - 90 day window.
    Secondly the discount is too low to compete with what is in the pipeline.

    Let me elaborate.
    A renewal window of 1 month means that only 1/24th of your domains under management will qualify. On average our customers have only about 11 domains that qualify and at $5 each that equates to a total potential discount of $55 per customer.

    In the pipeline for domainers we have 1 - 5 year registrations coming plus a 10% discount on the wholesale price. A 10% discount is effectively a $2 discount and it counts for everything, domains created, domains renewed and domains CoRed.

    Example: If you are paying right now $49.95 for 2 year renewals, after rebate you would pay $44.95 for 2 years

    After July 1, renewals will be reduced to $44.95 ($22.50 per year with the 10% discount)

    so your options are:
    Pay $44.95 early
    or
    Pay $22.50 later

    The same formula applies if you are on a bulk discounted rate. (Tip: If you do not have a bulk discount with us, please contact us.)

    So from our perspective, as this rebate program was limited and affects your Cash Flows, it was not likely to be used by our clients.

    - Anthony
     
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    Very interesting Anthony, so it is no real discount at all.
     
  12. Drop.com.au

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    Even the title of this post is misleading, at best the offer was $5 off a two year renewal of $20 which by my maths is closer to a 25% discount.

    - Anthony
     
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  13. Drop.com.au

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    FYI Afilias has a blog and they started talking about the new marketing schemes coming to town.
    https://afilias.com.au/2018/05/06/afilias-hosts-au-registrars-for-transition-update-meeting/
    - Anthony
     
  14. DomainNames

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    Thanks Anthony.

    Why wouldn't you have signed up for this promotion to at least take advantage of the discount for yourselves and your customers? Consumers do have .au eligible names renewing with you within this period don't they?

    You have stated the best offer was $5 off a two year renewal of $20 meaning $15 for 2 years? Who is this with?
     
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    Is the auDA / Afilias marketing scheme promotion money and efforts aimed at Registrars ( such as 50% co funding for the Registrar doing marketing / advertising campaigns but not actual price discounts) or is it actually aimed at .au domain name existing and new Consumers seeing a real benefit in their pricing?

    What is apparent is for too long the marketing schemes which have been using the auDA Funds ( .au (domain name Consumer money ) have not been known by many auDA Members, Resellers or Consumers. Maybe their needs to be a list of the promotions co funded on the auDA website so there is full transparency and accountability. People can then judge who is benefiting and the true ROI for all stakeholders.

    What we hear now is auDA is planning to run the marketing funds themselves instead of the .au wholesale registry subcontractor provider. If so then auDA needs to be fully accountable and transparent as they should have been all along.

    The fact is there is so much cash stuffed away they need to blow it before 30th June before the change in .au wholesale registry provider. This is the current promotion for the .au renewal discounted price which has been kept secret and all stakeholders especially demand class auDA members need to ask why.
     
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  16. Drop.com.au

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    As I said before $100 on support and education to give you a theoretical $55 saving which is actually an $11 loss to you makes no sense to me. I will be spending my support and education budget on helping you get the hang of the benefits of 1 year renewals.
    Go fish.

    - Anthony
     
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    The new scheme is going to be more flexible. The odds of you or me benefiting from them are very low as we only represent 5% of the market. Retail consumers will benefit from better education and from Registrars being motivated to sell .au at the top of their drop down list. There is nothing in there for domainers and I doubt there ever will be. At least nothing is better than a kick in the teeth.

    auDA funds to date have not been used for marketing but in theory you would ask for it after 1 July.

    auDA running the marketing is a new initiative, there is no retrospective need for transparency on this topic.
    As per the Government review auDA is an effective monopoly so their are going to be held accountable by the Government during quarterly reviews. You are going to need to lobby DoCA if you want questions asked and answered. The days of shouting at SGMs and AGMs is almost over.
    Almost every department in every organisation has budgets they need to spend by the end of the Financial Year.
    There is no conspiracy and there are no secrets beyond normal confidentiality between a customer and their supplier.
    This is a mole hill (actually a mole hole) you are trying to drum up into a mountain.
     
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    Hi

    The work required to support this, promote this, to meet the requirements, educate our clients, apply the rebates after the fact... was simply not viable based on the benefit, potential costs saving and the sheer nature of our clients who simply prefer to pay the last possible day for renewals.

    Cheers
    David
     
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  19. DomainNames

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    So from what you have said this auDA / Ausregistry / Registrar marketing promotion program does not work very well for anyone by the sounds of it?

    As a customer of yours I would have liked you to participate and pass on this promotion.
     
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    Hi,
    This program has benefits and when taken up by clients that are interested in long term renewals, so this program is fine in such cases. So great for end users.

    If we can still sign up for the program and if they look at increasing the time frame or the amount of rebate, that will definitely encourage us to support it as then it will make sense to do so for our clients and the cost to implement is then worth it.

    Cheers
    David